RandyForRubio
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No offense Moe, but most people are pretty safe with their guns.
Pro-gun activist Jamie Gilt shot by 4 year old Son
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No offense Moe, but most people are pretty safe with their guns.
♪alt13
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What are you talking about?
Guns are one of the most reliable things we have ever manufactured(srsly they are crazy reliable). There is nothing random about them. Accidental firearm deaths really don't happen, it always turns out to be negligence or on purpose. Srsly find me one incident involving a firearm that was anything close to random. The operator is always responsible for what happens.
jimmy eat jazz
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Lol, the US promotes sex ed? Really? I'd guess that of the major industrialized nations, we have the worst record of educating children about sex (contributing to our relatively high teen pregnancy rate). There are just too many sex prudes in this country, and in many cases, sex ed revolves around demonstrably ineffective abstinence curricula. A country, in which prudish religious folks have so much power (the same ones who can't tell the difference between art and pornography), and in which condom distribution is largely seen not as safe sex (or preventing unwanted pregnancies) but as encouraging the sinful scourge of fornication (I guarantee you, kids have been copulating since cave man days) do you really think that the US 'promotes' sex ed? Again, LOL.
RandyForRubio
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Promote was probably the wrong word choice, but you're starting a whole different discussion here. I was more talking about how we have mandated sex education, but we don't for guns.
jimmy eat jazz
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Fair enough. I was more commenting on the US' Puritanical approach to sex ed, which, as you point out, if probably best for another thread. Your point is well taken and understood.
To be fair, I can't really see giving gun training in public schools, except perhaps in certain locations. But I'm open to ideas for doing a better job of this.
In terms of the OP, the lady in question probably knew all of the safety rules, she just got careless and paid the price.
RandyForRubio
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The way I see it, it's a right to own guns. Acting like that's going to change, or just ignoring it is foolish IMO. Might keep a lot of people from being needlessly scared of guns too. I don't see why we couldn't teach about a public right in our public schools.
I think the lady in the OP is a moron, plain and simple. Unfortunately it's an act that could easily be prevented by having a little bit of common sense.
jimmy eat jazz
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I agree. For those of us on leftish side who are concerned about effect of gun ownership on pervasive gun violence in US society, we need to publicly and loudly acknowledge that interpretation of 2d Amendment includes right to private gun ownership and propose rational, reasonable reforms, including education/training extension, to limit effects of gun violence on society. NOT, however, that taking such a nuanced approach to the issue will make any difference to the 2d Amendment zealots, to whom any measure, no matter how reasonable, is setting the US on the slippery slope to government confiscation of guns.
I think anyone who thinks about this issue would conclude that there's no magic bullet here that would eliminate the pervasive gun violence in our society; but I do think we can chip away at the margin with reasonable reforms, but to also study the issue carefully, which we might do, if Republicans in Congress had not made it illegal (not sure illegal but not possible) to use Federal money to study gun violence issues. That's an example of how irrational the 2d Amendment zealots are.
RandyForRubio
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Very much agree JEJ. Good posting. Both sides need to compromise on this issue.
MVP
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Since sex education failed miserably ( USA is leading country in teenager STDS and abortions) I would highly doubt that gun education would change USA status as leading country in children related gun accidents.
jimmy eat jazz
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Sex education hasn't failed here because sex education doesn't work, per se, but because we, as a country, refuse to deal rationally with sex, being overly influenced by the purient prudishness of the religious folks who can't abide talking frankly about the realities of sex with our youth. The 'bury our heads in the sand and promote abstinence' approach to sex education is destined to fail, and, no surprise, it has failed.
Some of you may not recall years ago under President Clinton when the Surgeon General (a black middle-aged lady, I think her name was Jocelyn Elders) dared raise the issue of ************ it raised such a sh**storm because it offended the tender sexual sensibilities of all the good religious folks. Guess what? Teenagers ********** (so do many if not most adults, even religious folks), they've been doing it for millennia and and they will do it as long as they have a sex drive. We simply can't discuss sex rationally in this country, just like we can't discuss guns, immigration, and any number of other issues. Meanwhile, these issues continue to fester and create significant damage to society, while we fiddle around unable to have any discourse because too many people hold too many irrational, emotional, ideologically/religiously driven hangups.
Yep, American exceptionalism in action.
Holy cow, this website actually censors out the word mastur......bation? See what I'm talking about?
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Joe Bagadonuts
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Not only does it filter that word out, but I once explained the censored word in much the way you just did and got fracted. I agree with your points regarding sex in America.
First gun thread I found.
Was recently talking to a friend about gun rights. And they suggested liability insurance for gun owners.
I found the idea interesting. Basically if you own a gun you have to have liability insurance. If your gun is used and you are found at fault the victim has an insurance claim.
Thoughts? pros/cons?
I can already see both pros and cons...
Was recently talking to a friend about gun rights. And they suggested liability insurance for gun owners.
I found the idea interesting. Basically if you own a gun you have to have liability insurance. If your gun is used and you are found at fault the victim has an insurance claim.
Thoughts? pros/cons?
I can already see both pros and cons...