proposed trade for Harrison Barnes.

[Stifle Tower]

Not horrible, but not good either. I wouldnt give up a lottery pick for Barnes.

Barnes has a year before he hits RFA, right? So a year rental of Barnes (with the potential to sign him long term) is worth a lottery pick? Naw.

Agree. I think we can find comparable talent at #12 and have that player for a couple more years on a rookie deal. AS you said, Barnes will be a RFA but in a year when owners will be going crazy on offers. Barnes will get a much higher deal than what we'd be comfortable paying. Most I'd offer is giving them the worst of our picks in 2017.

 

[spycam1]

I do think we're reaching the point where--unless we're adding a top shelf talent at the top of the draft--we need to add more experienced pieces, not projects. Barnes fits that criteria. He's a good mixture of being young (so still, perhaps, has some unrealized potential that a coach like Snyder could develop), but also has playoff experience.

He brings perimeter defense, outside shooting (43% from 3), and a perimeter player who can play with his back to the basket--something we don't currently have. That could translate into time at the 4 with a lineup like:

Exum
Burks
Hayward
Barnes
Gobert

I think a Barnes trade is an interesting idea and not unrealistic (like signing Butler or Leonard).

I can see why GS does it, but they might prefer to do it at next year's trade deadline unless there's someone they particularly like with our pick on draft night.

 

[green]

I do think we're reaching the point where--unless we're adding a top shelf talent at the top of the draft--we need to add more experienced pieces, not projects. Barnes fits that criteria. He's a good mixture of being young (so still, perhaps, has some unrealized potential that a coach like Snyder could develop), but also has playoff experience.

He brings perimeter defense, outside shooting (43% from 3), and a perimeter player who can play with his back to the basket--something we don't currently have. That could translate into time at the 4 with a lineup like:

Exum
Burks
Hayward
Barnes
Gobert

I think a Barnes trade is an interesting idea and not unrealistic (like signing Butler or Leonard).

I can see why GS does it, but they might prefer to do it at next year's trade deadline unless there's someone they particularly like with our pick on draft night.

I agree with you and Stifle.

I want Snell over Barnes because Snell's rookie deal lasts longer.

 

[Stifle Tower]

GSW can trade Barnes and Speights for Booker and then buy him out. That will save them 7.5+mil in cap space if they're looking to retain Green. Although we'd probably have to sacrifice a pick or two to make GSW give up two rotation players for just cap space.

Of course the big white whale they're looking to unload is Lee. Not sure we want to go there - DLee is probably a downgrade from Kanter at this point.

Undervaluing Booker, IMO. Weakening a pretty good 3-man rotation to get another wing. Who do we then have to back up the 4 and 5? We'd have 2 starters and no one else. Oh, that's right...we're bringing over Tomic.

Booker is a keeper, IMO. He's worth the MLE to re-sign in 2016 if he'd come back for that price. He brings the attitude and toughness we need. And he just might develop a 3PT shot. Been very consistent, but he's only had since training camp to start working on it.

That said, the OP made a decent proposal. One of the more reasonable ones I've heard. It does make sense in terms of cap relief for GS, especially if the teams go one step further and do as candrew suggested. That might be the pivotal part of the deal. Otherwise, they're not really saving much. Our 2015 pick is still adding back $2M or so to their roster. I'd want Utah to get a very good player to be our 3rd big before sacrificing Booker. Then GSW probably do the trade for our #12 AND Booker. But is it worth it to get Barnes by giving up those two assets? I just don't think so. I don't see us keeping Barnes after next season. He's going to get a fairly significant offer.

 

[SojoDave]

We could throw in our 92 second round picks over the next three years that we've compiled

 

[spycam1]

I really don't see what Barnes currently does that somebody like Devin Booker couldn't replicate, for a lot less money. Barnes is strictly a spot up shooter who can rebound decently, and play average defense. ****, I'd rather trade that pick for Tony Snell.

Barnes has much better size than Booker and a back to the basket game. I actually think he's an ideal fit as a stretch 4 in the modern NBA.

And having the best defender in the game down low gives us more opportunity to play a guy like Barnes at the 4 at times. I actually think he's the sort of player we should be looking for.

 

[NAOS]

I'd give them our pick, top 10 protected, for Barnes in a heartbeat. No questions asked. That being said, I'd rather give Burke to Chicago for Snell.

are you going to spam every thread with this idea?

As for Barnes, I'm not giving up a lottery pick (and all those years of rookie-scale money) for him. Give me DBooker, 10 out of 10 times, instead.

 

[♪alt13]

Undervaluing Booker, IMO. Weakening a pretty good 3-man rotation to get another wing. Who do we then have to backup the 4 and 5? We'd have 2 starters and no one else. Oh, that's right...we're bringing over Tomic.

Booker is a keeper, IMO. He's worth the MLE to re-sign in 2016 if he'd come back for that price. He brings the attitude and toughness we need. And he just might develop a 3PT shot. Been very consistent, but he's only had since training camp to start working on it.

I want to see Booker start at the 3 tonight against the lakers.

Exum
Hayward
Booker
Favors
Gobert

^That's a nasty line up.

We can let Jarrett back up the four against the lakers. See what we've got.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I want to see Booker start at the 3 tonight against the lakers.

Too bad Randle is hurt. Both teams could start PF's at the 3.

 

[Hantlers]

I do think we're reaching the point where--unless we're adding a top shelf talent at the top of the draft--we need to add more experienced pieces, not projects. Barnes fits that criteria. He's a good mixture of being young (so still, perhaps, has some unrealized potential that a coach like Snyder could develop), but also has playoff experience.

He brings perimeter defense, outside shooting (43% from 3), and a perimeter player who can play with his back to the basket--something we don't currently have. That could translate into time at the 4 with a lineup like:

Exum
Burks
Hayward
Barnes
Gobert

I think a Barnes trade is an interesting idea and not unrealistic (like signing Butler or Leonard).

I can see why GS does it, but they might prefer to do it at next year's trade deadline unless there's someone they particularly like with our pick on draft night.

Really good points.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Harrison Barnes is decent but you pay a premium in this trade for a perceived value that isn't there. He also hits FA when every team will get cap space and has a high likelihood of getting a ridiculous offer. I'd rather keep our picks and max out a player like Middleton ( I think that is what it will take to get him). When the cap shifts to 90 m Barnes could easily get a 12 to 15 M per offer. These picks are much more valuable this year IMO because they will have a crazy low cap number.

If we did the trade I'd offer some form of current cap relief (not David lee) and either the OKC pick our their own pick in that order. That 2017 GSW pick has value. If Bogut can't walk by then or Curry has ankle troubles they could easily end up back in the lottery. AI will also likely be washed up at that time... I actually might not give up that pick.

My offer the OKC pick, some cap relief, a second rounder, and a euro prospect... Take it or leave it... The Black Falcon ain't all that.

 

[Stifle Tower]

LOL. You said AI and my mind was stuck on Allen Iverson. Took me several seconds to think of who you meant. I'm in agreement with what you said. Almost every owner is going to be throwing out money like candy dropping from a pinata. I don't see Middleton as a max player. But he and Barnes are having comparable seasons. Jazz could make an offer to Middleton without having to give up assets. Next year they won't be anywhere close to the tax so the difference in 1st year salary isn't a concern.

Draft Porzingis if he's available - or trade some seconds to move up a few spots. Then make offers to some wings, including Middleton. If no other good wings want to come over, offer the cap relief to GS (Booker + future 1st for Barnes).