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proposed trade for Harrison Barnes.

Wasn't the majority of this board down on Carroll when he was here? What's changed? He's the same player.

I like him, but I swear he wasn't very loved when he was here.
 
Was wondering where all the Tony Snell love was coming from then looked at his recent numbers... Dude has been hot. Every time I have watched him he seems to make horrible offensive mistakes and then get yanked... I'll have to go watch him again.
 
Hack said:
Wasn't the majority of this board down on Carroll when he was here? What's changed? He's the same player.

I like him, but I swear he wasn't very loved when he was here.
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He shot 29% from 3 here.. he shoot 39% now... very different.

I always liked him and for the price that he left at was puzzled why we didn't bring him back.
 
Hack said:
Wasn't the majority of this board down on Carroll when he was here? What's changed? He's the same player.

I like him, but I swear he wasn't very loved when he was here.
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you've got to be ****ing kidding me.................
 
Danny Green is intriguing. He and Pops have had words so he might be looking to go elsewhere. Little to no upside other than a bounce back from a tough season. There are others I'd prefer (Matthews, DMC and probably Middleton). But he would probably be ok with coming off the bench, which leaves Burks as the starter. Competition for that spot could make both better. Hood and Ingles compete for the rest of the minutes behind Hayward. Millsap is a defensive specialist and injury insurance.
 
NAOS said:
you've got to be ****ing kidding me.................
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Hack lived up to his name on that one. Wrong on both points. We'd have a hard time finding a poster (other than Hack apparently) who DIDN'T love DMC. And he's light years ahead of the player he was, including the real reason we'd love to have him back: he's added the 3 to his D.
 
spycam1 said:
I do think we're reaching the point where--unless we're adding a top shelf talent at the top of the draft--we need to add more experienced pieces, not projects. Barnes fits that criteria. He's a good mixture of being young (so still, perhaps, has some unrealized potential that a coach like Snyder could develop), but also has playoff experience.

He brings perimeter defense, outside shooting (43% from 3), and a perimeter player who can play with his back to the basket--something we don't currently have. That could translate into time at the 4 with a lineup like:

Exum
Burks
Hayward
Barnes
Gobert

I think a Barnes trade is an interesting idea and not unrealistic (like signing Butler or Leonard).

I can see why GS does it, but they might prefer to do it at next year's trade deadline unless there's someone they particularly like with our pick on draft night.
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Great post
Makes alot of sense
 
dalamon said:
Carroll is starting on a team with FOUR all-stars-- one of which is either the best (or the 2nd best) three-point shooter in the NBA this season. Pls explain to me why Carroll can fit in more three-point makes than Barnes.
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Minutes? (I have no idea who plays more minutes btw)
 
Hack said:
Wasn't the majority of this board down on Carroll when he was here? What's changed? He's the same player.

I like him, but I swear he wasn't very loved when he was here.
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You are way off with this one bro.
Most of us loved him, wanted him back, and were pissed when he was not brought back.
Smd bro
 
You are also trading for a guy looking to get paid next year... how did that work out this year?

Again if the price is lower I can talk myself into it, but our current lotto pick is off the table for Barnes. There are other ways to add experience that would be better.

Not all of our young guys will work out... I wouldn't mind adding Devin Booker, Johnson, or Hezonja... Barnes is just so meh to me.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You are also trading for a guy looking to get paid next year... how did that work out this year?

Again if the price is lower I can talk myself into it, but our current lotto pick is off the table for Barnes. There are other ways to add experience that would be better.

Not all of our young guys will work out... I wouldn't mind adding Devin Booker, Johnson, or Hezonja... Barnes is just so meh to me.
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With the way we've been playing those 2 are out of the question though.
 
ONE LOVE said:
With the way we've been playing those 2 are out of the question though.
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Maybe... things get stupid come draft day. Kwahi was projected to go #5... Drummond fell, Granger, Saric was projected around #6 last year at times. I think we finish 9th or 10th if healthy.

Here is a Barnes alternate... We offer some cap flexibility, #10 -#12 (wherever we land) and the GSW pick for number 6 or 7. We can select one of the higher rated wings or Porzingis... I think it is close in value. If Burke recovers some of his value we could add him into the package. Allowing us to pursue a veteran PG to pair with Exum until he is ready.
 
fishonjazz said:
Minutes? (I have no idea who plays more minutes btw)
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Carroll is averaging 4 three-point attempts per game and is at almost 40% (36% last year). It's really only his 2nd year shooting 3's. He's not shooting more because the Hawks have Korver, Millsap and Teague who all shoot a bunch of 3's. Atlanta has shot the 2nd most 3's in the league (behind GS), averaging 25 attempts/per. They're actually pretty balanced. Korver averages 6 attempts/per. For Utah, Trey takes 5/per and Hayward is just over 4. DMC could probably average 5 or so attempts with Utah.

The real key is that he spreads the floor on offense and is a great defender. He's also efficient, unlike Trey. I think Snyder at least gives DMC a call when free agency opens. Even with Trey's improvement, though, the guy is an inefficient ball hog. He ignores everyone else when he's in the game. I think upgrading the PG position is of equal priority. We can strengthen the bench all we want, but no one is going to have a chance to shoot if Trey remains on the team.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Carroll is averaging 4 three-point attempts per game and is at almost 40% (36% last year). It's really only his 2nd year shooting 3's. He's not shooting more because the Hawks have Korver, Millsap and Teague who all shoot a bunch of 3's. Atlanta has shot the 2nd most 3's in the league (behind GS), averaging 25 attempts/per. They're actually pretty balanced. Korver averages 6 attempts/per. For Utah, Trey takes 5/per and Hayward is just over 4. DMC could probably average 5 or so attempts with Utah.

The real key is that he spreads the floor on offense and is a great defender. He's also efficient, unlike Trey. I think Snyder at least gives DMC a call when free agency opens. Even with Trey's improvement, though, the guy is an inefficient ball hog. He ignores everyone else when he's in the game. I think upgrading the PG position is of equal priority. We can strengthen the bench all we want, but no one is going to have a chance to shoot if Trey remains on the team.
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Good analysis... I think the reason trey has played better is his ball hoggedness. If you are only looking for your own shot it simplifies things for him. I think he's been asked to look for his shot otherwise he'd be pulled for his tunnel vision. Short term it will help him have success but yeah upgrading the point either through exums improvement or an acquisition would be important.
 
Just thought of a decent plan B if we strike out on all fronts. Keep our pick and use it on Booker or whatever wing is left. Sign Jared Dudley to a really reasonable deal... not flashy, but we could get him. Good shooter can play small ball 4 and a great locker room guy... a true vet.

If Milwaukee commits dollars to Middleton they likely won't have much left to send Dudley's way. Again this is like Plan B once the better group of dudes has said no.
 
It seems like I might have overestimated Barnes value. Their fans seems kind of happy to trade him. Here's the responses I got so far(the proposed trade was Utah 1st 2015+sweetener(OKC or GSW 2017) for Barnes):

I'm inclined to say interesting, assuming your pick is around 7. It depends on what our FO sees in this year's draft, how they assess the FA-market and what Barnes/Lee/2015th pick could net us this offseason. To have a good young prospect on a long rookie-contract with the upcoming extension of Dray is definitely intriguing to me, your offer isn't bad value at all.
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I would do a draft night of utah pick + our 2017 for barnes and our 2015 pick. Even add featus* as they lose kanter
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featus* I think is Festus Ezeli and I think I'd probably refuse taking him.
 
Barnes the reason behind the invention of the word 'meh'

I'm from Iowa and am not enamored with him. Should tell you all something.
 
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