proposed trade for Harrison Barnes.

[Deleted member 848]

funny those that are talking about maxing middleton but you could extend Barnes by offering similar money. then locking up barnes for the next 5 years.

I agree barnes did well in the playoffs a few years back playing the stetch 4 something like close to 20 ppg.

And two seasons later, the dude has yet to even scrape the surface of that play.

Darrell Arthur was a monster in the 2011 playoffs against the Spurs (probably THE X-Factor of that 1st round-- apart from obvs Z-Bo heroics). Has he ever reached that level since?

I've watched Barnes a bunch. He was on my fantasy team for 1.5 years. He's overrated, and he doesn't play nearly good enough in one of the best offensive systems in the NBA. 1.1 threes per game? The ****?

 

[Hotdog]

I think Barnes is capable of much more than his stats say he is. He's just on a team that already has a lot of great scorers.

 

[b_line]

Apply this reasoning to enes kanter, but take a year down to like 3 months.

Not horrible, but not good either. I wouldnt give up a lottery pick for Barnes.

Barnes has a year before he hits RFA, right? So a year rental of Barnes (with the potential to sign him long term) is worth a lottery pick? Naw.

 

[NAOS]

So, let me see if I get this right....

I can have Harrison Barnes

or

I can have Devin Booker, DeMarre Carroll, and maybe enough left over to get Corey Joseph. (And I also don't have to cut ties with Trevor Booker).

We need depth as much as we need another key player. If we had a top-10 bench right now, and the season was just beginning, we'd be in the hunt for the playoffs.

 

[Hantlers]

I think Barnes is capable of much more than his stats say he is. He's just on a team that already has a lot of great scorers.

At the same time, he's underachieved everywhere he's been, whether he's been the man or just a role player.

 

[Getting Traded]

Barnes has much better size than Booker and a back to the basket game. I actually think he's an ideal fit as a stretch 4 in the modern NBA.

And having the best defender in the game down low gives us more opportunity to play a guy like Barnes at the 4 at times. I actually think he's the sort of player we should be looking for.

I looked up their stats, and maybe they are wrong but Barnes is listed at 6-8 225 and Booker 6-8 240, though I think Booker is probably shorter than 6-8, but I think he is probably heavier.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

funny those that are talking about maxing middleton but you could extend Barnes by offering similar money. then locking up barnes for the next 5 years.

I agree barnes did well in the playoffs a few years back playing the stetch 4 something like close to 20 ppg.

Barnes would be eligible ( I believe) for the max under the 2016 cap projections unless you extended him. Which means his max will be 25-30% higher than Middleton's. And there will be many in the market that may max a guy like that because they have the space.

Add in the fact that he plays with the player who has the most gravity in the league and a player who is probably in the top 10 and factor that into his shooting. He is wide *** open when he shoots. Some may argue that it takes away from his opportunities, but he isn't an iso guy.

I think Carroll, Middleton, and Matthews are all better than him. Would rather make a run at those guys than pay 150 cents on the dollar for Barnes. We also may strike out in FA and then you try to extract Barnes by taking on Lee's salary.

 

[stitches]

I guess the question is when do you want us to spend and what we can get out of it? In general the best time to spend is this summer, since we will get discount in the long run on any deal we make, because of increasing cap space in the following year. If you think any of the top(or just below top-level) RFAs or UFAs would be willing to sign an offer sheet with us before they would be willing to sign with anybody else(and that their team wouldn't match), then you obviously go for them since you wouldn't be giving up assets. If not though, trading a pick on a team full of young players is not such a bad idea. You get a young player who still has room to grow but is already an established starter on one of the best teams in the league and also would give us what we desperately need - some shooting and some perimeter defense. And then again, matching him in 2016(or even better negotiating an extension this year) wouldn't be the worst thing to happen since the cap would boom and we'd have plenty of room to spend.

 

[Stifle Tower]

umm yeahhh.


Hell to the no on Barnes.


I would much rather keep Hayward at the three (where he's been ****ing magnificent, and been able to defend the likes of Melo and Lebron) than have him change his body, play out of position at the 2, and play ****ing Harrison Barnes at the three.

One of the best points that has been mentione. Hayward has CLEARLY bulked up and made himself into a SF. He COULD play SG (hell, he was even trying to guard Lillard at times), but why? Defensively he's been a stud against other SF's. I don't want to change one thing about what is becoming one of the best frontcourts in the league. If we do get a very good FA, it should be a starting SG or even a starting PG.

 

[NAOS]

I looked up their stats, and maybe they are wrong but Barnes is listed at 6-8 225 and Booker 6-8 240, though I think Booker is probably shorter than 6-8, but I think he is probably heavier.

don't get paranoid, but you're talking about the wrong Booker.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So, let me see if I get this right....

I can have Harrison Barnes

or

I can have Devin Booker, DeMarre Carroll, and maybe enough left over to get Corey Joseph. (And I also don't have to cut ties with Trevor Booker).

We need depth as much as we need another key player. If we had a top-10 bench right now, and the season was just beginning, we'd be in the hunt for the playoffs.

Plus the GSW pick in 2017.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I guess the question is when do you want us to spend and what we can get out of it? In general the best time to spend is either this summer, since we will get discount in the long run on any deal we make, because of increasing cap space in the following year. If you think any of the top(or just below top-level) RFAs or UFAs would be willing to sign an offer sheet with us before they would be willing to sign with anybody else(and that their team wouldn't match), then you obviously go for them since you wouldn't be giving up assets. If not though, trading a pick on a team full of young players is not such a bad idea. You get a young player who still has room to grow but is already an established starter on one of the best teams in the league and also would give us what we desperately need - some shooting and some perimeter defense. And then again, matching him in 2016(or even better negotiating an extension this year) wouldn't be the worst thing to happen since the cap would boom and we'd have plenty of room to spend.

For one season, sure, we have money to spend. But don't forget Hayward and Favors will soon be up for new contracts and then Gobert. Matching a big contract in 2016 could land the team in serious financial straits by 2018 or 2019.