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fishonjazz said:
www.yahoo.com

Michigan GOP co-chair says Trump campaign directed fake electors, per CNN audio

The comments from Meshawn Maddock come days after Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel said she thought actions by the fake electors were criminal.
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More efforts by trump to steal the election.
Stop the steal indeed. Talk about projection
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There there @fishonjazz keep your panties on.

After all, we aren’t a democracy. We are a republic. <insert benjamin Franklin quote> this is probably exactly what the founding fathers envisioned. Pro trump State legislators and counters throwing out votes and overruling voters so they can grab power. And using violence and intimidation to take over DC if you don’t get your way. Yay! Stealing elections It’s exactly what they envisioned! Definitely not what corrupt banana republics do or anything.

Yay!

Remember now, we’re a democracy Not a republic. This is like super important to the discussion for reasons.
 
Red said:


www.theguardian.com

Outrage as Newt Gingrich says Capitol attack investigators could be jailed

Liz Cheney among those to condemn remarks by former House speaker as committee member Zoe Lofgren says: ‘I think Newt has really lost it’
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Yeah our elected officials are so far removed from their actual duties and obligations to the country it is ridiculous. Their fealty and near-religious zealotry to their party has so far overshadowed their actual constitutionally mandated duties that they don't even make any minor attempts to hide it any more. This is all about vindictiveness and holding onto power. The beginning of the collapse of our republic, but at the heart of it is a populace that allows this **** to go on with no repercussions and, indeed, with full religious fanaticism in support of wresting power from the other guy, no matter what lines must be crossed to do so. Disgraceful.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yeah our elected officials are so far removed from their actual duties and obligations to the country it is ridiculous. Their fealty and near-religious zealotry to their party has so far overshadowed their actual constitutionally mandated duties that they don't even make any minor attempts to hide it any more. This is all about vindictiveness and holding onto power. The beginning of the collapse of our republic, but at the heart of it is a populace that allows this **** to go on with no repercussions and, indeed, with full religious fanaticism in support of wresting power from the other guy, no matter what lines must be crossed to do so. Disgraceful.
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It’s just a real hard thing to watch. America now. It’s painful. The psychic pain really wears you out. I think back at junior high and high school history classes, and an idealistic image of what America represented. Then assassinations, a war in Southeast Asia, racial turmoil, and “your president is not a crook!” brought reality into sharper focus. But still, not turning one’s back on an idea of America that could not include what has brought us to this point. “It can’t happen here” imparts some of the impossibility of the moment. It’s a phrase usually applied to the specter of fascism, but, really, looking at the widespread irrationality and conspiracism, the daily breakdowns of civility, eruptions of anger, all like a real, real, real slow motion crash and burn, it’s something I’ve not seen before this, like a societal wide mental illness. Apparently, THAT, whatever it is, can happen here. And, if you can see it, it is painful and the feeling of powerlessness is so deflating.

It’s at that point that I usually visit a nature preserve or feed my squirrels.
 
Red said:
It’s just a real hard thing to watch. America now. It’s painful. The psychic pain really wears you out. I think back at junior high and high school history classes, and an idealistic image of what America represented. Then assassinations, a war in Southeast Asia, racial turmoil, and “your president is not a crook!” brought reality into sharper focus. But still, not turning one’s back on an idea of America that could not include what has brought us to this point. “It can’t happen here” imparts some of the impossibility of the moment. It’s a phrase usually applied to the specter of fascism, but, really, looking at the widespread irrationality and conspiracism, the daily breakdowns of civility, eruptions of anger, all like a real, real, real slow motion crash and burn, it’s something I’ve not seen before this, like a societal wide mental illness. Apparently, THAT, whatever it is, can happen here. And, if you can see it, it is painful and the feeling of powerlessness is so deflating.

It’s at that point that I usually visit a nature preserve or feed my squirrels.
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Yeah it wasn't fascism that brought about the fall of the Roman empire, that was largely driven by corruption in the government. It fell from the inside out. Made it impossible for them to adequately address the external forces tearing at the empire at the time. It wasn't some outside socialistic boogey-man or something, it was their own lust for power and failure to address the internal forces tearing the fabric of their political and social systems apart. Sounds kind of familiar, right?
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yeah it wasn't fascism that brought about the fall of the Roman empire, that was largely driven by corruption in the government. It fell from the inside out. Made it impossible for them to adequately address the external forces tearing at the empire at the time. It wasn't some outside socialistic boogey-man or something, it was their own lust for power and failure to address the internal forces tearing the fabric of their political and social systems apart. Sounds kind of familiar, right?
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Yeah, and I spend way too much time trying to figure out what I have learned about the human race in my lifetime, being fine tuned again, as I weigh present circumstances. Tumult. Gotta handle tumult. We’re in it for the time being.
 
Red said:
Yeah, and I spend way too much time trying to figure out what I have learned about the human race in my lifetime, being fine tuned again, as I weigh present circumstances. Tumult. Gotta handle tumult. We’re in it for the time being.
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Red, serious question.
You were around for the Nixon years, right?
How bad is the national "morale" compared to then, do you think?
What turned it around?
 
leftyjace said:
Red, serious question.
You were around for the Nixon years, right?
How bad is the national "morale" compared to then, do you think?
What turned it around?
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Yes, I was around. So many years ago, that always makes it tough to compare, because the emotional component of your memory is not there to the extent one’s emotions are in today’s climate. Certainly, the fact that Republicans did not rally around Nixon helped. The fact that Republicans played key roles on the Watergate Committee helped. People could see that both parties were going to deal with a president who was that willing to play outside the rules.

Nixon was not Trump. Nixon was a brilliant man, not a dolt. Today, to me, his transgression, spying on Democrats, seems light weight compared to Trump’s behavior. Since I very much leaned left, no love lost on Nixon for my part. He had promised to end the war, and that end was too long coming to please the anti-war movement.

An unpopular war, a hippie culture derided and hated by those we hippies called Rednecks. Very similar division, no? It was a type of culture war. Racial tensions, assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK, massive demonstrations in Washington.

Yet, be it because of the distance of time, or the flip side, because today’s climate is right there in our face, I cannot really compare the Nixon years with the present. The present climate seems so much worse, so much more divisive, in part because both parties, and both bases are so hateful of the other. That was not the case back then, we’ll not to this degree I think. It was obvious then that it would not stop until Nixon saw the light and spared the country. And he did! Now, that is one hell of a difference.

I was young then. I was politicized for the first time in my life. Radicalized really. I saw through the lies I had been taught, as a result of the entire era, not just because of Nixon’s downfall. Maybe ending the war, and Watergate ending turned things around for a spell…

FWIW, I find today’s “morale” far, far worse than those years.

And yes, what @The Thriller said certainly helps make today’s climate worse. We had the three major networks then, and I guess PBS. We did not have talking heads driving home their bias, and in so many cases, their lies, night after night. Or the internet where we could all gather and treat each other like loving brothers and sisters:)
 
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Red said:
Yes, I was around. So many years ago, that always makes it tough to compare, because the emotional component of your memory is not there to the extent one’s emotions are in today’s climate. Certainly, the fact that Republicans did not rally around Nixon helped. The fact that Republicans played key roles on the Watergate Committee helped. People could see that both parties were going to deal with a president who was that willing to play outside the rules.

Nixon was not Trump. Nixon was a brilliant man, not a dolt. Today, to me, his transgression, spying on Democrats, seems light weight compared to Trump’s behavior. Since I very much leaned left, no love lost on Nixon for my part. He had promised to end the war, and that end was too long coming to please the anti-war movement.

An unpopular war, a hippie culture derided and hated by those we hippies called Rednecks. Very similar division, no? It was a type of culture war. Racial tensions, assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK, massive demonstrations in Washington.

Yet, be it because of the distance of time, or the flip side, because today’s climate is right there in our face, I cannot really compare the Nixon years with the present. The present climate seems so much worse, so much more divisive, in part because both parties, and both bases are so hateful of the other. That was not the case back then, we’ll not to this degree I think. It was obvious then that it would not stop until Nixon saw the light and spared the country. And he did! Now, that is one hell of a difference.

I was young then. I was politicized for the first time in my life. Radicalized really. I saw through the lies I had been taught, as a result of the entire era, not just because of Nixon’s downfall. Maybe ending the war, and Watergate ending turned things around for a spell…

FWIW, I find today’s “morale” far, far worse than those years.

And yes, what @The Thriller said certainly helps make today’s climate worse. We had the three major networks then, and I guess PBS. We did not have talking heads driving home their bias, and in so many cases, their lies, night after night. Or the internet where we could all gather and treat each other like loving brothers and sisters:)
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Are you secretly Jason Bourne?
 
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If Nixon had had this channel to throw nonsense like this up, he wouldn’t have resigned



Watch this entire thing and tell me again why Biden hasn’t “fixed” Covid. This is so ****ing dangerous and irresponsible
 
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