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Put Kanter to rest...once and for all.

WHICH BIG MAN SHOULD THE JAZZ HAVE TRADED?


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his usg% has dropped from 24 to 22, yet he is scoring, assisting, and rebounding more. He has blossomed. He is almost 18 pts, 11 rebs, and 1.4 ast per game on nearly 57% shooting.

OKC will be able to hide his defense with Durant and Ibaka, much like we could've with Gobert and no Trey.

Despite the ungodly #'s they are allowing, they are scoring even more. They have won just as much as we have since the trade, where his role has been increased.

Another way to say that is that he threw his baby fit, got what he wanted, so he chooses to play to the level he is capable of. With us he had direct competition and when just being The Kanter wasn't enough to win PT over the other he played crappy (for example zero passing...unless your conspiracy brain is telling you that the Millers brainwashed him into choosing not to pass), and then demanded a trade when his crappy play pouting ******** didn't get him what he wanted. I wish him lots of success in his career. Nothing against him personally. I just think he is a punk ***** ball player. No one with integrity would choose when and how they play. They would just do their best and not cry about it.
 
it's all water under the bridge now. There is no undoing the past. I just take exception to this mentality that we should be congratulating ourselves for a circumstance that could have been avoided. We are better defensively with Gobert playing more, but we could have been dominant on both ends with that trio of bigs playing more. That's even better! Realize mistakes for what they are so we don't repeat them.

I disagree. For the caliber of the 3 there was no way to keep them all happy (minutes and pay) that doesn't hamtring one or make the big rotation paper thin.


They somehow forced him to ask for a trade to justify themselves with the fans and it worked.
Being a fan it does not mean that you have to pander to all the management decisions.

Hahaha, this is such a crock. Kanter had plenty of chances to pass in Utah. If he didn't then he was holding back and that is reason enough for me to want him gone.

Kanter's stated reasons for leaving were not even the case this year as things had changed. This was not a master plan to sabotage Kanter or justify trading him.

Give me a break.
 
OKC will be able to hide his defense with Durant and Ibaka, much like we could've with Gobert and no Trey.

I don't buy that you can hide a big as abysmal as Kanter on defense. Maybe if he was a 2 or 3, but a 4 or 5? Nah. Smart teams will exploit the hell out of that.

In any case, we already have all the indisputable evidence we need to show that lineups with Favors/Gobert were substantially better than lineups with Favors/Kanter and Kanter/Gobert.

Since the all-star break, the frontcourt has been dominant. It is the reason the Jazz have been as successful as they were, and the recent string of losses has been due to a combination of injuries and having the worst backcourt in the NBA. Even given the incoming cap increase, why commit to Kanter longterm as a 3rd big? The Jazz would be absolutely correct to focus those resources instead on improving the backcourt and keeping Gobert (who will almost certainly get the max which, under the new cap, will be substantially more than the current max).
 
This will not put anything to rest, only further a debate that will seemingly never end. There are people who can't accept that we got a mediocre return for a #3 draft pick (understandably so), but looking at it from that perspective alone does not take the many other factors that were at play into consideration.

The only argument that I can see is not signing Booker, but going into the season, even the most optimistic of projections couldn't have foreseen Gobert developing & performing as well as he has this season. Sure there were a few precursors based on his #s last year, but to assume that Gobert would progress into the player that he has been this year would have been unfounded. Theoretically, not signing Booker would have allowed the team to instead carry a bottom of the bench 4th big who wouldn't require any playing time (poor Jeremy Evans), thus allowing the team to play Favors, Kanter, & Gobert each 30+ minutes per game (which may or may not have kept all 3 content).

But heading into the off-season, the Jazz likely assumed they had a starting front court (of the future) consisting of a defensive oriented PF (Favors) & an offensive oriented C (Kanter) with a raw defensive oriented C (Gobert), who had the potential to possibily become a starting caliber player down the road (not this year), so they (understandably) decided to sign a 4th big, with room for growth, who could provide some offense & energy off the bench, as well as solidify a formidable big man rotation to go along with Burke (who was expected to progress rather than regress as he has) backed up by Exum (who, while likely not expected to contribute significantly, appeared capable of handling the back up duties) at PG, & Burks (who I would imagine was expected to take a significant step forward) & Hayward, backed up by Hood (although only a rookie, one who was expected to produce much as he has been- only for an entire year) on the wing.

The FO decided to put a young but talented roster in a position to develop, while still having the opportunity to be competitive had everything gone right (which it clearly didn't, mainly due to injuries & Burke far underperforming his projections). The FO recognized this, so it adapted on the fly (by inserting Exum into the starting rotation & shifting the focus of the season firmly on that of development), much as it did with the way it handled the Kanter situation.

As is with all things in life, you must adapt on the fly. I guarantee that what has unfolded this season is nowhere near what the FO had originally anticipated. Once Gobert emerged as he has, they could have traded Booker to allow for the 3 bigs to get their 30+ minutes, but at that point, it was fairly obvious that Favors & Kanter were not an ideal match, Kanter was unhappy & unlikely to return beyond next year (especially on a reasonable contract), & that Gobert was deserving of a starting role, so the FO elected to go with a future front court that projected to be elite defensively & at least acceptable offensively rather than one that had been mediocre in both regards up to that point.

I agree that Kanter (& Favors to some degree) were handled inadequately by Corbin, but that is not something that a professional should allow to carry over into the next season (& what was essentially a fresh start). The FO made the right decision by adapting to the situation (something that I think has been an issue in the past). Hindsight is 20/20; if only Miss Cleo was our GM, then maybe we would have known exactly how the season was going to play out & we could have gotten full value for Kanter. Personally, I'll take the FO we have & gladly watch as we continue to head in the right direction, even if it means that not every single situation is handled with complete efficiency & that 100% value isn't extracted from every single asset (which has yet to be done by any FO in the history of any sport).
 
I actually did see Gobert as developing last offseason and said so. Saw the Booker signing as a problem from the word go.
 
@Lograd

you don't get a detailed response form me, because once again you are trying to make my argument something that it was not. I am not the one who said the Millers wouldn't let him pass.
 
I too felt Gobert would eventually develop into what he has (although wasn't expecting DPOY potential this quick & assumed he'd be ready to start closer to next year rather than this year), & questioned the Booker signing as well (more so due to the fact that it essentially meant that we had given up on Evans). That being said, I would much rather head into the future with a frontcourt that projects as elite defensively than whatever a frontcourt of Favors & Kanter or Kanter & Gobert project as. In the long run, we are in a position to have a championship caliber frontcourt, despite the fact that a recent #3 pick has become a non-lottery draft pick, a rotational (at best) euro big, & cap room. That in itself is a major accomplishment, even if we did have a hand in creating some of the circumstances that allowed for that to occur in the first place. Things could be much worse & I really have a hard time seeing how they could have possibly been much better. Having a big man rotation of 3 max (or near max) players really wasn't feasible (or economically responsible), even with a major cap increase.
 
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@Lograd

you don't get a detailed response form me, because once again you are trying to make my argument something that it was not. I am not the one who said the Millers wouldn't let him pass.

You could have just posted a GIF of someone throwing in a towel, but whatever dude.
 
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