Put Kanter to rest...once and for all.

[Sexual Favors]

Because one was getting almost that and was not happy. He is also the one who needed to move to the bench and he had already complained the year before about a similar role. Simply put his history shows that it was not going to be enough to play 30 minutes off of the bench to keep Kanter happy.

he got 27 mins a night at sporadic intervals with two players breathing down his neck. Not nearly the same thing. First it was Booker, but then Kanter clearly won that battle by December. Then Gobert was emerging with Booker still hanging around. Gobert playing more could have helped Enes as well, as they would've played more together, which would have allowed Kanter to hide more of his defensive deficiencies, which would have kept him on the court.

You can't say the sporadicness had nothing to do with it, especially when it was after a blowout vs the Mavs where Enes was having a good game, but then forced to sit the entire fourth quarter under trumped up charges of an injury, that he asked for the trade.

 

[Siro]

A rhythm for a rhythm player is a strange concept to you?

kanter is yet another player we've let go who has blossomed under a new circumstance. Maybe, jsut maybe, we don't do everything right.

Pivoting your entire team's strategy around guaranteeing a single player "rhythm minutes" regardless of performance is NOT doing things right. The situation is simple, Kanter saw the writing on the wall with the emergence of a superior player, and he decided to try his luck elsewhere. It is HIGHLY doubtful that OKC will actually keep Kanter since he is expecting max money, and OKC can't afford to pay that for a player of Kanter's caliber. He can enjoy being an undeserved max player on a ****ty team if he likes. Why do you want to impose that on the Jazz? Are you a Kanter fan first and foremost?

 

[Sexual Favors]

I wouldn't say he's blossomed either. He is getting more touches so he's getting bigger #'s. But he still is the same player. He still doesn't play defense. He still gives up as much or more than he gets.

his usg% has dropped from 24 to 22, yet he is scoring, assisting, and rebounding more. He has blossomed. He is almost 18 pts, 11 rebs, and 1.4 ast per game on nearly 57% shooting.

OKC will be able to hide his defense with Durant and Ibaka, much like we could've with Gobert and no Trey.

Despite the ungodly #'s they are allowing, they are scoring even more. They have won just as much as we have since the trade, where his role has been increased.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Pivoting your entire team's strategy around guaranteeing a single player "rhythm minutes" regardless of performance is NOT doing things right. The situation is simple, Kanter saw the writing on the wall with the emergence of a superior player, and he decided to try his luck elsewhere. It is HIGHLY doubtful that OKC will actually keep Kanter since he is expecting max money, and OKC can't afford to pay that for a player of Kanter's caliber. He can enjoy being an undeserved max player on a ****ty team if he likes. Why do you want to impose that on the Jazz? Are you a Kanter fan first and foremost?

I am a Jazz fan first and foremost. I take offense to that comment.

You are being too extreme. We didn't need to make the entire team's strategy about Enes to satisfy him. We just needed to give him a constant, like we did with all of our other players weither deserved or not. 23 mins in rhythm is much better than 27 sporadically.

30 for the three was proposed by Dennis Lindsey, and Quin also mentioned it BTW, but it was never executed.

 

[Siro]

I am a Jazz fan first and foremost. I take offense to that comment.

You are being too extreme. We didn't need to make the entire team's strategy about Enes to satisfy him. We just needed to give him a constant, like we did with all of our other players weither deserved or not. 23 mins in rhythm is much better than 27 sporadically.

Let's say you're right, what would be the point? Favors and Gobert are better players, and Kanter would have been an astronomically expensive 3rd big on an untradeable contract. The Jazz' only mistake was not to shop him earlier in order to get more in return (possibly, I don't know how they handled the situation).

 

[Sexual Favors]

Let's say you're right, what would be the point? Favors and Gobert are better players, and Kanter would have been an astronomically expensive 3rd big on an untradeable contract. The Jazz' only mistake was not to shop him earlier in order to get more in return (possibly, I don't know how they handled the situation).

the point is, we COULD have afforded him. With the new cap, Gobert's extension date in relevance to the cap, and how undesirable of a free agent market we are. Giving away our talent, which is essentially what we did, is not a good strategy. We didn't even get Mitch Mcgary in return. Doesn't matter how good our team is with Gobert playing more, that is irellevant, since Gobert could have played more with Kanter in a trio. We have the Stampede now, which will have our system, that we could have pulled players from in case of injuries to our three bigs. Talent matters. Favors, Gobert, and Kanter all have much more talent than the Bookers of this world.

Anyways, when they are all playing the same, no one is a third big. Whoever doesn't start is a 6th man of the year canidate. Not a bad consolation prize.

 

[Jazz4ever]

his usg% has dropped from 24 to 22, yet he is scoring, assisting, and rebounding more. He has blossomed. He is almost 18 pts, 11 rebs, and 1.4 ast per game on nearly 57% shooting.

OKC will be able to hide his defense with Durant and Ibaka, much like we could've with Gobert and no Trey.

Despite the ungodly #'s they are allowing, they are scoring even more. They have won just as much as we have since the trade, where his role has been increased.

Hiding players on defense is a myth. Any coach worth his salt will exploit Kanter. Pop is a good example, looked what the Spurs just did to them. Bloody murdered them.

 

[Sexual Favors]

it's all water under the bridge now. There is no undoing the past. I just take exception to this mentality that we should be congratulating ourselves for a circumstance that could have been avoided. We are better defensively with Gobert playing more, but we could have been dominant on both ends with that trio of bigs playing more. That's even better! Realize mistakes for what they are so we don't repeat them.

 

[Diamond77]

You can't say the sporadicness had nothing to do with it, especially when it was after a blowout vs the Mavs where Enes was having a good game, but then forced to sit the entire fourth quarter under trumped up charges of an injury, that he asked for the trade.

They somehow forced him to ask for a trade to justify themselves with the fans and it worked.

Being a fan it does not mean that you have to pander to all the management decisions.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Hiding players on defense is a myth. Any coach worth his salt will exploit Kanter. Pop is a good example, looked what the Spurs just did to them. Bloody murdered them.

Murdered without Durant and Ibaka. I believe we lost to LA after the deadline. **** happens in the NBA.

James Harden was a horrible defender last year, but the Rockets were still a great team. Kyle Korver is nothing special defensively, yet he is essential to the Hawks being the 2nd best team in the league. so many other examples.

Also, the duo of Kanter and Westbrook has won something like 65% of their games since the trade without Durant, and now without Ibaka.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Murdered without Durant and Ibaka. I believe we lost to LA after the deadline. **** happens in the NBA.

James Harden was a horrible defender last year, but the Rockets were still a great team. Kyle Korver is nothing special defensively, yet he is essential to the Hawks being the 2nd best team in the league. so many other examples.

Also, the duo of Kanter and Westbrook has won something like 65% of their games since the trade without Durant, and now without Ibaka.

That's because Kanter is over achieving. He's probably a better player than he showed on the Jazz, but he won't keep up a TS% of 60, that is borderline superstar. If you argue that point I will call you out big time the first slump he has.

 

[Sexual Favors]

That's because Kanter is over achieving. He's probably a better player than he showed on the Jazz, but he won't keep up a TS% of 60, that is borderline superstar. If you argue that point I will call you out big time the first slump he has.

he may not continue it, but he will continue to be better than he was with us, and he will only get better. He is only 22.