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Question about LDS Church after Smith's death.

You just described Mormon theology on grace and works.

We'll have to agree to disagree. See, I believe that we are compelled through salvation to do good works. It's not of our own doing, it's through God.

Mormonism states: for we know that it is by grace we are saved after all we can do’

I believe that to be wrong. It is by grace that we are saved, through nothing that we did.
 
As for Mother Theresa...I have no idea. I have no clue what she believed doctrinally. I know that she didn't give out false prophecy. But as we've said, good works don't save a person. I would truly hope that she is saved, but I have no way of knowing. I'm not God.
 
We'll have to agree to disagree. See, I believe that we are compelled through salvation to do good works. It's not of our own doing, it's through God.

Mormonism states: for we know that it is by grace we are saved after all we can do’

I believe that to be wrong. It is by grace that we are saved, through nothing that we did.

Are there any that are not saved?
 
It is by grace that we are saved, through nothing that we did.

According to this belief an unrepentant man who rapes and murders mentally handicapped children (is there any person on Earth less able to defend themself?) is saved because of Christ's grace, just because he believes in Christ. You'll have to forgive me for having a hard time accepting that.





Now I'll go back to secretly watching all this.
 
As for Mother Theresa...I have no idea. I have no clue what she believed doctrinally. I know that she didn't give out false prophecy. But as we've said, good works don't save a person. I would truly hope that she is saved, but I have no way of knowing. I'm not God.

If you require a person to be 100% doctrinally sound than you cannot really know that you are a Christian.

If I were to say that you are not Christian (I think you are) then I am no more right or wrong than you are when you say that Mormons are not Christians. Luckily none of us get to decide who is or is not Christian. Thankfully I think we will all be surprised when we are judged and we see who is and who isn't.

As for grace and works. I truly this as arguing over nuances and not a true theological difference.
 
I always find it interesting how Mormons include so many others in Christianity when Joseph Smith himself said that he has the only correct religion.

Anyways, Colton, I think you're a wonderful man. You're a good, kind and loving father. You're patient, yet firm. I truly enjoy our talks.

Thanks. I do appreciate that.

Maybe that's why I've always been hesitant to say this, because I am afraid to offend you, but Paul tells us to speak with boldness, so I will. I cannot view a religion where the founding members were heretics who went against the Word of God as Christians. The religions are close, but they are so different at the same time. Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and many others have been proven to be false prophets, and I do not view their words or their faith as being from God. You see, their works are also being judged.

Let's focus on me, then. Or on the other present-day Mormons in the thread. You seem to be saying that we are not Christians because we belong to a faith that has (in your opinion) questionable origins. But shouldn't we be evaluated based on our own beliefs and our actions? Do you consider me to be a Christian? If not, what's your definition of Christian?
 
We'll have to agree to disagree. See, I believe that we are compelled through salvation to do good works. It's not of our own doing, it's through God.

Mormonism states: for we know that it is by grace we are saved after all we can do’

I believe that to be wrong. It is by grace that we are saved, through nothing that we did.

I believe your understanding of Mormon belief to be wrong. You're objecting to a straw man that no LDS poster in this thread has agreed with.

Would it help if we reversed the sentence? For we know that after all we can do it is by grace we are saved. Same exact sentence, but maybe reversing the clauses will help you understand the LDS view better. I also refer you to this talk by Pres. Uchtdorf from just a few months ago: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2015/04/the-gift-of-grace?lang=eng
 
1380's... straight from John's mouth and Paul's right. Bada bam bada boom

Just because the translation into English happened 1200+ years after the original Greek, doesn't alter the original Greek. Do you understand? Length of time doesn't alter the original greek NT.
 
Just addressing the first line.

Imo a Christian is a person that believes in Christ as the Messiah, and who tries to the best of their ability to follow his teachings.


This would by definition make Muslims Christian as well. Might need to fine-tune this definition.


Isa Ibn Maryam (Arabic: عيسى بن مريم, translit.: ʿĪsā ibn Maryām; English: Jesus, son of Mary), or Jesus in the New Testament, is considered to be a Messenger of God and al-Masih (the Messiah) in Islam[1][2]:30 who was sent to guide the Children of Israel (banī isrā'īl) with a new scripture, al-Injīl (the Gospel).[3] The belief that Jesus is a prophet is required in Islam. This is reflected in the fact that he is clearly a significant figure in the Quran, appearing in 93 ayaat (or verses), though Noah, Adam and Moses appear with even greater frequency.[4] It states that Jesus was born to Mary (Arabic: Maryam) as the result of virginal conception, a miraculous event which occurred by the decree of God his Creator (Arabic: Allah). To aid in his ministry to the Jewish people, Jesus was given the ability to perform miracles (such as healing the blind, bringing the dead back to life, etc.) which no other prophet in Islam has ever been credited with, all by the permission of God rather than of his own power. According to the Quran, Jesus, although appearing to have been crucified, was not killed by crucifixion or by any other means; instead, "God raised him unto Himself". In the 19th Sura of the Quran (verse 33), Jesus says "And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive.", which clearly declares that Jesus will experience a natural death, and will be raised again on the day of judgment.

Anywho. Carry on, gentiles.
 
This would by definition make Muslims Christian as well. Might need to fine-tune this definition.

Anywho. Carry on, gentlemen.

I thought about being more clear.

The Messiah (as described and promised in the Old Testament)
The Savior
The Son of God
The Lord Jesus Christ
Emmanuel

I could go on, sorry I wasn't super clear.
 
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