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Question about LDS Church after Smith's death.

best reason ever for us to make the playoffs??

lol, I'll take it.

If we don't make the playoffs (we ****ing better) then I'll try to come over for an April game. I really feel like we're gonna make the playoffs though. Barring injury. SO keep that guest casa of yours open around April to May, ya heard? We'll have to pull UGLI into the Jeezy as well.
 
If we don't make the playoffs (we ****ing better) then I'll try to come over for an April game. I really feel like we're gonna make the playoffs though. Barring injury. SO keep that guest casa of yours open around April to May, ya heard? We'll have to pull UGLI into the Jeezy as well.

We can get UGLI. He's always down for coll shet.
 
False. While religions to immerse themselves into existing cultures and come out as something novel, it is very possible to trace culture-defining characteristics that would exist regardless of the choice of faith (whether polytheistic, or monotheistic).

Here's an example that I can relate to-- compare the Muslims of Kosovo and Bosnia to the Muslims of Saudi Arabia. There are very fundamental characteristics of Albanian culture that have been introduced by the advent of Islam, however there are characteristics in which that we practice our faith that are characteristics that are cornerstones to the culture of my ancestry long before the Ottomans made their way over into the Balkan peninsula. Long story short, the Islam of southeast europe is far, far different from the Islam of the Middle East. Pretty much all of that is due to the cultural backdrop of the region prior to the introduction of Islam.



It's because modern history has been dominated by nations that have just happened to be practicers of Monotheism. It's a skewed perception.



Do as you wish.

We're destined to reach a point where we have a categorical disconnect. Part of the problem with discussing these kinds of cultural transformations is that 'religion' comes in as a discrete sort of variable to be measured, along with 'state-crafting', along with 'economics', etc. In truth, none of these are discrete things, and we shouldn't produce a theory of change using categorical thinking. I shouldn't have followed you even >< far into that line of thinking, so I'll back up to my original point: history suggests that monotheisms are very concerned with limited and highly politicized theories of truth.

Islam and Christianity have similar models of truth (they're both outgrowths of a Semitic culture on the margins of a Roman empire), so your example isn't as neat as you'd like to think (i.e. some categorically foreign religion plopped into a categorically different cultural backdrop). Anyway, dude, I don't really feel like talking to you anyway, tbh. You've been a massive douche lately.
 
We're destined to reach a point where we have a categorical disconnect. Part of the problem with discussing these kinds of cultural transformations is that 'religion' comes in as a discrete sort of variable to be measured, along with 'state-crafting', along with 'economics', etc. In truth, none of these are discrete things, and we shouldn't produce a theory of change using categorical thinking.

Completely agreed. But this doesn't necessarily support your point as monotheistic faiths having a more intrinsic rigidity with regards to truth (imo).

I shouldn't have followed you even >< far into that line of thinking, so I'll back up to my original point: history suggests that monotheisms are very concerned with limited and highly politicized theories of truth.

Islam and Christianity have similar models of truth (they're both outgrowths of a Semitic culture on the margins of a Roman empire), so your example isn't as neat as you'd like to think (i.e. some categorically foreign religion plopped into a categorically different cultural backdrop). Anyway, dude, I don't really feel like talking to you anyway, tbh. You've been a massive douche lately.


Sure. I'll lay off.
 
If we don't make the playoffs (we ****ing better) then I'll try to come over for an April game. I really feel like we're gonna make the playoffs though. Barring injury. SO keep that guest casa of yours open around April to May, ya heard? We'll have to pull UGLI into the Jeezy as well.
I'm in too
 
An excellent point. It does say "God-breathed" as in, God spoke those words. Now we know that God is inerrant, thus His words are inerrant.

That's just your interpretation of what that phrase means. The Bible itself doesn't say it's inerrant. As I said.
 
If you were cool, you'd grab one of these:

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Also next time don't have 5 kids. Moron.
Hey! **** you!
 
Fully believe it-- completely just teasin. There's nothing quite like road-tripping with a big family. The 5 of us (parents, two brothers) drove about 7000km in a Peugeot station wagon last summer in Europe, and it'll probably be one of my fondest memories until the day my life ceases. Big families are always fun families, especially if they're loud (like we are).
5 people? That's not a big family. Go big or go home!
 
7 in mine. Wife, 4 girls (17, 12, 8, 2), infant son and I.
Yeah, I've got five kids as well. My youngest turns one today and my oldest turns 11 next week. Wife wants one more, but I was done two kids ago.
 
Completely agreed. But this doesn't necessarily support your point as monotheistic faiths having a more intrinsic rigidity with regards to truth (imo).

That wasn't an attempt to support that point. As a move, it was a backing up, followed by a re-iteration of my initial claim. I realize that I haven't provided evidence; I've only gestured that there's a mound of historical evidence over there to support my claim. Maybe I'll give it another go....

Nothing polices the boundaries of meaning and truth like Gods. And nothing narrows the catchment of meanings further than ONE GOD. (My favorite example of this is the oft-repeated Islamic tautology "There is no God but God!").

The early Roman empire was polytheistic, and, generally speaking, policed the boundary between public and private more than it did the boundary between True and False. You could publicly worship whatever god you wanted, ascribe to it whatever demonstrable forces and signs you saw fit, but common sense dictated that approval from that god depended on accurate observance of rituals. This, at minimum, required that the god have an image and a public alter or temple. Requests/prayers were presented to the god in terms of a trade. A priestly cast emerged to oversee these things, which were very much a part of the State, and gave those trades the force of contract/law. Historians agree that, relative to the way we think about things today, the view of religion was very practical: if you asked the gods for something, and it happened, then you owed a debt (food, wine, animal sacrifice, etc). On the private side, you had the power of the paterfamilias, which, by today's standards, had an extreme grip on the expression of family life. The father oversaw private worship, and the public judiciaries had no power to intervene. Families were microcosms of the State. Theoretically the father had the power to execute family members.

You'd be correct in pointing out that the seeds of fascism are everywhere in this "cultural backdrop"; the insistence on publicity did narrow the catchment of possible practices and thus possible meanings/truths. But, vis-a-vis monotheism, people nevertheless had much more conceptual latitude for framing the essences of humanity and nature. Every single judicial history of a monotheistic State backs that point up. In early Rome, as long as you "registered" your meaning, then everything was cool (one of the most subversive things about early Christianity was it's insistence on meeting in private, and for not playing the game of images).

EDIT (TO CLARIFY): In terms of freedom/persecution, Roman questions about religion and meaning were dominated by the hows of worship. In monotheisms, the questions are dominated by the hows, whys, and whats. You can feel the difference.
 
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