Question for Mormons
- Thread starter Gyp Rosetti
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This pretty much sealed the deal as far as my "conversion".
Also, Conan, dude... Silence, Peck!
maybe it's the smell of weed on your metallica shirt?
CONAN
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Agreed. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
CONAN
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From gibblets neg rep of me: Why don't you address the actual sources used for the quotes and not just the website that posts them? It makes us Mormons look bad when we don't address the actual issue and just attack the site or intentions of the person quoting our prophets.
You seem like one of those guys that likes to engage the haters. I'm not saying there are haters here (there might be but I'm not talking about that). I'm saying like at Temple Square or maybe at the Manti pageant. Or maybe anti-mormon websites. I'll never understand that part as far as looking for those fights (going to those websites or walking up to those people). If that's not you then sorry. I just don't think that's a healthy approach to these types of discussions.
Why not start from the truth? You cannot find anything official from the Church so you go to an anti- site to find it. Ya, that's not suspicious at all.
As far as others having a neg opinion of mormons because of me, well, if they're that shallow then so be it. But no question I'm not a perfect mormon and not a good example for others to look at. I don't sugarcoat and can be very blunt (I like talking here versus via PM or neg repping people). No question there. But I'm not going to meet people halfway by using an anti-mormon website to try to bridge the gap. That's not right. There are better ways.
I didn't neg rep you for posting statements. I neg repped you because I don't agree with your methods. Which honestly I couldn't care less about but since you engaged me I'll play ball.
7StraightIsGreat
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Great thread so far. The stuff I've found most interesting is the debate about what may or may not be permissible in the bedroom between 2 married people and the role(s) bishops and other higher ups in the LDS church play as far as being able to counsel couples in matters of the bedroom. Serious question for the LDS folk in the know:
I understand that the LDS Church has volunteer, non-payed clergy and that most of your bishops hold regular full time jobs just like the rest of us. That being said, do they have actual qualifications in regards to marrige counseling, sexual therapy, etc? When they are given the calling of Bishop, do they get any specific training that will help them in those areas, or are they just handed religious doctorine and told to stick to the guidelines?
Not a poke at the LDS church, but if there isn't some type of training in place, it seems pretty dangerous to be seeking marital and sexual counsel from Larry the funiture salesman who just happens to be a Bishop on the weekend.
I understand that the LDS Church has volunteer, non-payed clergy and that most of your bishops hold regular full time jobs just like the rest of us. That being said, do they have actual qualifications in regards to marrige counseling, sexual therapy, etc? When they are given the calling of Bishop, do they get any specific training that will help them in those areas, or are they just handed religious doctorine and told to stick to the guidelines?
Not a poke at the LDS church, but if there isn't some type of training in place, it seems pretty dangerous to be seeking marital and sexual counsel from Larry the funiture salesman who just happens to be a Bishop on the weekend.
To my knowledge there are no qualifications beyond being a member in good standing and be married in a 'temple' marriage. I am aware of training that is given after the fact. I expect when a new bishop accepts a calling I expect that local leadership (stake presidency) will provide a primer on what to do. In the end, the expectation is that the Lord will provide counsel provided the Bishop in question is righteous and doing his part to prepare himself for his calling.
As for the bedroom stuff- in my mind that is between the couple. The only time a Bishop should be involved if there a dispute the couple cannot resolve on their own.
This is just my opinion.
They do not give people "sexual therapy", and limit marriage counseling to the doctrinal teachings of how to respect each other and how to be in good standing with the Church in regards to morals. They are not left alone to do as they please in this, they have Stake Presidencies that can help them if they are unsure how to handle situations, and they refer people to professionals when needed. I say this to clear up what it sounds like to me you think. No, Bishops do not give people professional advice for their marriage or other situations when a professional is needed. There is also training for them to be able to handle certain situations in the best way possible, and training to know when they will need help from others to help people. A Bishop should never ask people about what goes on in the bedroom, and if it came up either the Bishop did the wrong thing in asking, or the couple or person brought it up.
**I was going to answer that Bishops ask Catholic Priests for help in this counseling, but figured instead I would actually answer the question.
7StraightIsGreat
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That all seems to make sense. I've always been fascinated by the fact that LDS Bishops have such lofty responsibilities for being basically being part time, volunteer clergy. Seems like a pretty heavy burden to bear. Props to those who take it on.
I would guess that most bishops (I certainly don't know them all) would like to know as little as possible about the intimate details of another couple's marriage. The church actually has a counseling arm (LDS Family Services) that is run by paid, trained professionals.