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I'm sorry but I can't believe there is someone out there who thinks the pro-choice position is some eternal and universal norm. As opposed to a very recent Western norm.

It is incredible.

I really miss NAOS. We only have a couple of good thinkers left. :(


The ironic thing is, isn't the Mormon Church pro-choice? Don't they believe that abortion is ok in certain circumstances?

Yes, yes they do. So, if God believes that abortion is ok in the case of incest, rape and the health of the mother, how do you legislate that?

The answer is, you can't.

So, in order to allow abortion to be legal in God approved ways, wouldn't you need to have abortion be legal?

The anti-abortion stance by mormons goes agains their doctrine.
 
I'm sorry but I can't believe there is someone out there who thinks the pro-choice position is some eternal and universal norm. As opposed to a very recent Western norm.

It is incredible.

I really miss NAOS. We only have a couple of good thinkers left. :(

Liberals have worked so hard to defend pro-choice(I generally buy their arguments and agree with them) that they have become pro-abortion(I don't agree with that, abortion is not a day at the beach).

If I had to provide my position on abortion in a sound bite I would say that "I am pro-choice but anti-abortion".

Women don't walk out of an abortion clinic feeling good about themselves certain that they made the right decision. It is an incredibly difficult thing. I would implore anyone on either side of the issue to just listen to any woman who has had the procedure done without judgement. I can honestly say that I have and that it can be both the right decision and something to be avoided.
 
The ironic thing is, isn't the Mormon Church pro-choice? Don't they believe that abortion is ok in certain circumstances?

Yes, yes they do. So, if God believes that abortion is ok in the case of incest, rape and the health of the mother, how do you legislate that?

The answer is, you can't.

So, in order to allow abortion to be legal in God approved ways, wouldn't you need to have abortion be legal?

The anti-abortion stance by mormons goes agains their doctrine.

don't know about the mormon church but judaism is ok with taking a live to save a live!

so taking the babies live is ok to save the mothers live.
or if a rape was so traumatic it depresses a woman to a point of suicide, she may abort. but they will try and talk her into carrying it full term and put the baby up for adoption. after all the baby did nothing wrong!


so i assume same is to be said of Mormons and christians
 
I think I would really really really like george bush to hang out with and go fishing with or something.
I would probably like him more than any other president in history on a personal level.

I would love to hang out with any of the Presidents. Even Trump. Imagine having the opportunity to glimpse their perspective first hand! Yeah, I'd love that.
 
I'm old enough to remember JFK, but was not old enough to vote at the time. Perhaps in part because I was raised in a Roman Catholic family, I do remember that his Roman Catholicism was an issue in the 1960 election. Some people were worried a Roman Catholic President would be loyal to the Pope, and not the Constitution, and that was the issue. That seems silly now.

Other then for funerals, I have not been in a church or practiced the faith in which I was raised since my youth. As a young man, I became interested in studying the so-called "inner traditions" of many major faiths, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Sufism(the mystical tradition of Islam), and I also studied shamanism. I loved reading the writings of the mystics of these traditions. They wrote of directly experiencing God, and I wanted to know what that was all about. I decided the major faiths were all very similar in their inner traditions. Before that, I had briefly been an atheist, and was proud of being smarter then all the adults who were church goers. That was arrogant and foolish of me, but, that phase was very brief. Now, I just want to adhere to the Golden Rule, and I know I fall short all the time, and I am very sorry to see that religion has been such a divisive force among humans throughout history. That's why I looked into those inner traditions so closely, to find a commonality. There is a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment in the United States these days, and it's understandable, but I know I found Love to be at the core of the writings of the Sufi mystics, some of the most beautiful mystical poetry I came across. I have long been baffled by the inner tradition of Love at the heart of the world's major faiths and at the same time a history of intolerance and war between their organized branches. It is one sad fact.

In all the elections in which I voted, I honestly never inquired as to what denomination a candidate practiced. It just never crossed my mind. I honestly could not tell you which denomination any of the Presidents have belonged to, other then Kennedy. I do know candidate Romney was a Mormon, but I guess that was because some had wanted to make that an issue. So, from a personal perspective, a potential President's denomination has never been an issue to me. I do think it might actually be good to see an American Muslim elected President, because it would have to mean we had developed an acceptance and tolerance that is largely missing now. It will be a long time before that happens, though. But I would no more fear an American Muslim would impose Sharia law, I think that's a ludicrous fear, then I would have expected an American Catholic to be first and foremost a Papist.

I am fascinated by the branches of Christianity that have developed here in America. In all honesty, some bother me, because I see a level of intolerance toward others that bothers me. But separation of church and state is a bedrock principle here, even though I know we are experiencing issues in our culture wars that often stem from the combatants religious beliefs, and it's been impossible to keep those out of our politics. That saddens me, but I must accept that we humans are not always wise enough to focus on what we share in common, and the Golden Rule is not always first and foremost in people's minds, and we seem to be a flawed species. Hope I have not strayed too far from the central questions of this thread....
 
I'm old enough to remember JFK, but was not old enough to vote at the time. Perhaps in part because I was raised in a Roman Catholic family, I do remember that his Roman Catholicism was an issue in the 1960 election. Some people were worried a Roman Catholic President would be loyal to the Pope, and not the Constitution, and that was the issue. That seems silly now.

Other then for funerals, I have not been in a church or practiced the faith in which I was raised since my youth. As a young man, I became interested in studying the so-called "inner traditions" of many major faiths, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Sufism(the mystical tradition of Islam), and I also studied shamanism. I loved reading the writings of the mystics of these traditions. They wrote of directly experiencing God, and I wanted to know what that was all about. I decided the major faiths were all very similar in their inner traditions. Before that, I had briefly been an atheist, and was proud of being smarter then all the adults who were church goers. That was arrogant and foolish of me, but, that phase was very brief. Now, I just want to adhere to the Golden Rule, and I know I fall short all the time, and I am very sorry to see that religion has been such a divisive force among humans throughout history. That's why I looked into those inner traditions so closely, to find a commonality. There is a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment in the United States these days, and it's understandable, but I know I found Love to be at the core of the writings of the Sufi mystics, some of the most beautiful mystical poetry I came across. I have long been baffled by the inner tradition of Love at the heart of the world's major faiths and at the same time a history of intolerance and war between their organized branches. It is one sad fact.

In all the elections in which I voted, I honestly never inquired as to what denomination a candidate practiced. It just never crossed my mind. I honestly could not tell you which denomination any of the Presidents have belonged to, other then Kennedy. I do know candidate Romney was a Mormon, but I guess that was because some had wanted to make that an issue. So, from a personal perspective, a potential President's denomination has never been an issue to me. I do think it might actually be good to see an American Muslim elected President, because it would have to mean we had developed an acceptance and tolerance that is largely missing now. It will be a long time before that happens, though. But I would no more fear an American Muslim would impose Sharia law, I think that's a ludicrous fear, then I would have expected an American Catholic to be first and foremost a Papist.

I am fascinated by the branches of Christianity that have developed here in America. In all honesty, some bother me, because I see a level of intolerance toward others that bothers me. But separation of church and state is a bedrock principle here, even though I know we are experiencing issues in our culture wars that often stem from the combatants religious beliefs, and it's been impossible to keep those out of our politics. That saddens me, but I must accept that we humans are not always wise enough to focus on what we share in common, and the Golden Rule is not always first and foremost in people's minds, and we seem to be a flawed species. Hope I have not strayed too far from the central questions of this thread....

I want to say, that for someone who professes to believe that the Golden Rule is a good standard for good living, my own behavior at times on this forum, with respect to negative comments toward posters who adhere to different political/social beliefs then myself, is clear proof of how deeply flawed I am myself as a human being. But, these are very difficult times in which we live, and I'm as far removed from perfect as any human I know. I am passionate in my opinions, but not always proud in how I express them.
 
I want to say, that for someone who professes to believe that the Golden Rule is a good standard for good living, my own behavior at times on this forum, with respect to negative comments toward posters who adhere to different political/social beliefs then myself, is clear proof of how deeply flawed I am myself as a human being. But, these are very difficult times in which we live, and I'm as far removed from perfect as any human I know. I am passionate in my opinions, but not always proud in how I express them.
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I might have to think about a Pastafarian. Still, as long as he/she didn't expect me to worship any noodly beings and pass laws that strainers are required headgear, I might be able to work around it.

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You NEVER put the Holy Strainer on your head!! What the hell are you thinking?!? I am seriously triggered right now.
 
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