Question Regarding Politics and Religion

[Cappy_Smurf]

Religion doesn't matter to me, whatsoever. However, extremists in ANY religion would make me hesitant to support.

For example, if we had a president that sent us to war, and then said he did so because he felt God wanted him to improve the world by doing so, I would want that person out of power as soon as possible.

 

[Ron Mexico]

That is a false dichotomy. It is like saying "all men are created equal, but some should be made more equal than others". By definition a democratic republic will end up with mostly representatives that reflect the majority view, unless you legislate that minority views are somehow worth more than the majority view to make things "equal". I agree that minorities need to have representation that can help protect their interests, but not at the expense of anyone else's interests. But therein lies the rub, especially with groups with conflicting interests (religious/atheist for example).

I dont think anyone is claiming minority groups should have their interests protected at the expense of others. I also have not seen or heard the claim that "all men are created equal, but some should be made more equal than others"

 

[Ron Mexico]

I found out that nothing triggers me worse than liberal secularists making religious proclamations about the exclusivity of their Truth. Specially when accompanied by the oh-so-typical bewilderment at heathen unbelievers.

I have not seen anyone claim this but maybe I missed it. Where is that at in this thread?

 

[babe]

I have not seen anyone claim this but maybe I missed it. Where is that at in this thread?

read a few of my philosophical rants.... Siro has generalized the phenomena of collective human convictions operating as a self-evident social construct of reality, without the benefit of any objective evidence or measureable parameters.... The stuff we will die for because we are "good" in some contemporary set of accepted norms.

"religions" are generally seen as requiring some assertions about "God", something no one has seen or heard from, except upon hearsay. The same psychological realities operate in the human mind whenever we know nothing about the subject, but believe with all our hearts that we are right somehow.

I'm a bit more complicated than Siro, because I fear the things we humans will do when we do have evidence or proof of our beliefs even more......

 

[Stoked]

killing for the state and terminating a pregnancy are two very different things.

Then perhaps you shouldn't have made the connection.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I dont think anyone is claiming minority groups should have their interests protected at the expense of others. I also have not seen or heard the claim that "all men are created equal, but some should be made more equal than others"

but that is what the elft sems to be about oppression olympics, identity politics and minorities.

like they seriously asked a judge if he would choose the side of the little man if it is a case vs the little man and a big company.

that does not matter. if the little guy is wrong why chose the little guy.

a judge should not look at the power of one guy. but at if someone did something wrong according to the law

 

[Siro]

I have not seen anyone claim this but maybe I missed it. Where is that at in this thread?

Where Rubashov claimed his opinions are just the common norms of all societies (facepalm), and those who have different views are just crazy.

That's how religious fundamentalists see the world. Many of the liberals I know seem to be religious fundamentalists.

 

[Siro]

I'm sorry but I can't believe there is someone out there who thinks the pro-choice position is some eternal and universal norm. As opposed to a very recent Western norm.

It is incredible.

I really miss NAOS. We only have a couple of good thinkers left.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I'm sorry but I can't believe there is someone out there who thinks the pro-choice position is some eternal and universal norm. As opposed to a very recent Western norm.

It is incredible.

I really miss NAOS. We only have a couple of good thinkers left.

lol forget pro choice.

what about life and liberty! those are also not universal norms


recently they become more and more prevalent

 

[Ron Mexico]

Where Rubashov claimed his opinions are just the common norms of all societies (facepalm), and those who have different views are just crazy.

That's how religious fundamentalists see the world. Many of the liberals I know seem to be religious fundamentalists.

I assumed he was being facetious with that comment. Maybe ill reread. Probably not, there are a lot of takes I dislike in this thread that I have no energy to discuss. It is mildly interesting to hear the differences in what people expect/want out of their leadership and what role it plays though.

 

[JazzGal]

So for example, if there's a person running for office that believes their way is the only way to God/Allah/Spaghetti Monster, should that disqualify them from office? And for this example, we'll say there's no prior evidence of true discrimination.

I might have to think about a Pastafarian. Still, as long as he/she didn't expect me to worship any noodly beings and pass laws that strainers are required headgear, I might be able to work around it.

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[green]

To me this is more interesting from the standpoint of our representative government. Does an atheist politician represent his constituency if most of them are religious? Can a muslim politician represent a largely Christian populace? Or can one religious sect, that derides another (say southern baptist vs mormons, or something) represent that faction within their constituency?

Also, asking anyone to leave some core facet of their personality out of their decision-making is like asking a white guy to not be white, but only in these certain circumstances. A core belief will ALWAYS influence someone in their decisions, even if only subconsciously, be it religious or whatever.

Absolutely then can represent, because the ideals that the voters valued enough to vote for him transcend religion.

Religion is stupid. It puts up barriers between us. It gives people justification to be *** holes to each other in the name of righteousness and god.

Like I said earlier, if someone valued their rep's religion over policy...those are the real "terrorists". Whether mormon, muslim, atheist, etc.