Question Regarding Politics and Religion

[DutchJazzer]

In general any candidate that has any sort of authoritarian and/or theocratic streak is a no-go for me.

so no left wingers for yhou then?

fasicsm, nazism, communism, socialism all authoritarian and LEFT WING!

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't care that he is a Muslim at all. My brother is a Muslim but how do you explain the pictures?


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I have a picture of me wearing a military uniform but I was never in the military.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Such a sensitive subject around here I see.


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[Ron Mexico]

islam on the other hand has convert or DIE!

I have had religious conversations with 100s of different types of religious people. I have talked to many Muslim people. Not once has this been the approach that a Muslim person has taken with me. Christians have by far been the most aggressive with me but none of them have threatened violence or death towards me. Just the usual fire and brimstone talk and the whole corrupting my family and friends guilt talk.


Oh wait I forgot [MENTION=848]dalamon[/MENTION] definitely did threaten to kill me if I didnt convert when he was in Utah. But he is the exception. Or was he just nice and talked about his religious views in a peaceful manor explaining why he was Muslim, I cant remember which one. It was definitely one of those two though.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Such a sensitive subject around here I see.


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Just giving you a hard time for a silly comment, no hard feelings.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Just giving you a hard time for a silly comment, no hard feelings.

No worries. I never understood why it was such a big deal anyways. Who cares if he is a Muslim.


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[fishonjazz]

Such a sensitive subject around here I see.


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Ya, you got more than you deserved for that I think.

I'm sorry for my post fwiw

 

[stitches]

so no left wingers for yhou then?

fasicsm, nazism, communism, socialism all authoritarian and LEFT WING!

There are authoritarians from all sorts. I think you've missed some lessons in political science if you think fascism and nazism are left-wing. LOL!

 

[Elizah Huge]

Ya, you got more than you deserved for that I think.

I'm sorry for my post fwiw

No need to be sorry, fish. You're one of my favorite posters on here.


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[Ron Mexico]

No worries. I never understood why it was such a big deal anyways. Who cares if he is a Muslim.


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I dont care if he is or isnt on principal. But it is pretty easy to find out if he is, there is no reason to speculate.

The reason people did care is that as a non Christian you are less likely to win the US presidency and it was a smear tactic against Obama to get him to lose. His presidential hopes were riding on people knowing the truth about him in this regard. At this point it is far less of an issue but still I would rather people not saying incorrect things about me that are easy to prove. I would not be bugged if people called me whatever religion but I would correct them, if people still insisted on claiming I was something I was not I think it might bug me. For Obama I think he is a fairly devout christian so I would guess he would not like being called another religion and people down playing his real beliefs that I am guessing are important to him.

 

[LogGrad98]

To me one of the main functions of government is to protect minority groups. The majority and/or groups in power dont need help with their interests.

It's a corner stone of liberal democracies. An essential element of good government

That is a false dichotomy. It is like saying "all men are created equal, but some should be made more equal than others". By definition a democratic republic will end up with mostly representatives that reflect the majority view, unless you legislate that minority views are somehow worth more than the majority view to make things "equal". I agree that minorities need to have representation that can help protect their interests, but not at the expense of anyone else's interests. But therein lies the rub, especially with groups with conflicting interests (religious/atheist for example).

 

[stitches]

That is a false dichotomy. It is like saying "all men are created equal, but some should be made more equal than others". By definition a democratic republic will end up with mostly representatives that reflect the majority view, unless you legislate that minority views are somehow worth more than the majority view to make things "equal". I agree that minorities need to have representation that can help protect their interests, but not at the expense of anyone else's interests. But therein lies the rub, especially with groups with conflicting interests (religious/atheist for example).

That's what constitutions and bills of rights are for. They set up inalienable rights that every individual has and the state defends those rights, those don't depend on the majority and the majority is not allowed to touch those(usually). And from there on majority rules... usually... kind of*... as long as they don't step on those basic human rights. If they do, the state needs to act to defend those rights and seek remedies to the situation.

*the asterisk is there because even though in theory majority rules, there might be influences that overtake the political process in a country(oligarchies or lobbyists pushing and succeeding to enact policies that go against the will of the majority but are in favor of certain influential minority).