Racist, or just careful?

[moevillini]

We've talked about the definitions of bigot before; they referred to the thoughts and intentions of the actor, not the identity or number of the victim. Besides, as I said, I don't think all the guards here are bigoted, or even most of them. These would be men who regularly undertake protection of people of all sorts of skin colors, religions, etc., and I'm see no reason to doubt they are equally diligent in all their jobs. That's part of the point I've been making.

exactly, the thoughts and intentions of the guards (the actors) is what I was thinking of. I would define them as bigoted actions.


You can type until you're blue in the fingers but you won't get me to call this specific incident an incident of racism. If that response means you lump me in with all the others whose responses you disdain, so be it. I'm not in entirely bad company if you put me in that mixed bag.

If it were a group of three women of Pakastani descent, would they have been treated more favorably? Five?

it wasn't - so why bring it up?

Do you think the behavior was really directed at the doctor who works with poor people in Afghanistan, and their disdain for such people, as opposed to the dark-skinned woman?

aren't they one and the same? or were there two people who were denied access?

 

[Stoked]

Of curse you don't about her skin tone; you don't have to endure what that skin tone means in daily life. That you can afford to not care is part of having white privilege.

Don't worry, I never expected you to come up with a reasonable possibility.

Nor did I expect anything but baseless raging about racism from you. The only reason that you care about her skin tone is because it lets you go on your misguided, false crusade. We all kow how being able to accuse people of that brightens your day.

 

[Gameface]

What I haven't really heard mentioned here is that she wanted into an area that she did not have a ticket to enter. She told the guard that she didn't have a ticket. Once she told him that it probably made it more difficult for him to let her in.

If my spouse had my car keys like her's did I too would be pretty desperate to get my keys back. I can understand she was upset. I would have asked for the guards supervisor or someone in charge of the event. Stop making it a conflict between you and the one guard. If you're desire is reasonable (hers was) someone else is likely to side with you and find a way to get your keys back.

I believe her story, but I can also see how her interpretation of events might not be universal.

There are times I don't get treated well. I chalk it up to being short, fat and ugly. I guess if I was middle eastern I would blame that instead.

 

[Stoked]

exactly, the thoughts and intentions of the guards (the actors) is what I was thinking of. I would define them as bigoted actions.


You can type until you're blue in the fingers but you won't get me to call this specific incident an incident of racism. If that response means you lump me in with all the others whose responses you disdain, so be it. I'm not in entirely bad company if you put me in that mixed bag.




it wasn't - so why bring it up?





aren't they one and the same? or were there two people who were denied access?

If it happened exactly as she said then yes the guards are bigoted/racist. If...

 

[MVP]

Why shouldn't they compete separately?

Well if their country is called Great Britain or United Kingdom maybe they should compete like that ( they do that in Olympics BTW). See, it is again about national pride. Scottish want to play under Scottish flag as it is more appealing and prideful for them. Thats why USSR never worked as all those little nations never liked being called USSR, they needed their national identity. It is again that crazy feeling of independence - you americans value it so much.

 

[Gameface]

There's nothing impossible about cultures coming together. It happens all the time. Get a grip, man.

 

[One Brow]

exactly, the thoughts and intentions of the guards (the actors) is what I was thinking of. I would define them as bigoted actions.


You can type until you're blue in the fingers but you won't get me to call this specific incident an incident of racism. If that response means you lump me in with all the others whose responses you disdain, so be it. I'm not in entirely bad company if you put me in that mixed bag.

I don't like lumping anyone in with a group.

Perhaps you can describe for me what a prototypical incident of racism would be, and why you think this even doesn't cover it.

it wasn't - so why bring it up?

I was responding to your comment that this was directed against "one specific person". It seems like an odd distinction to make.

aren't they one and the same? or were there two people who were denied access?

They are different aspects of the same "one specific person". To which aspect do you think the guards were likely reacting?

 

[One Brow]

No. When the majority of support says that the writer can't be trusted to tell us what happened to her, then I don't think it's an indication of how wrong *I* am.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqs9DYisSsg

So, knowledge that this writer can't be trusted is a common, and easy to verify, as knowledge of the star of Footloose?

 

[One Brow]

Nor did I expect anything but baseless raging about racism from you.

Some posters get responded to with rage, some with dialogue. I'm the same person on both those conversations.

The only reason that you care about her skin tone is because it lets you go on your misguided, false crusade.

The only reason I know about her skin tone is because of the treatment she received based on her skin tone.

We all kow how being able to accuse people of that brightens your day.

It brightens my day to accuse humans of being human?

 

[moevillini]

I don't like lumping anyone in with a group.

Perhaps you can describe for me what a prototypical incident of racism would be, and why you think this even doesn't cover it.

I don't want to get into a pissing match with you. Due to differences in our anatomy, I'm pretty sure you can piss farther. Unless I'm mistaken about your anatomy?

I was responding to your comment that this was directed against "one specific person". It seems like an odd distinction to make.

I guess that's on you then.

They are different aspects of the same "one specific person". To which aspect do you think the guards were likely reacting?

I have no idea. I'm not trying to read minds here.

 

[One Brow]

What I haven't really heard mentioned here is that she wanted into an area that she did not have a ticket to enter. She told the guard that she didn't have a ticket. Once she told him that it probably made it more difficult for him to let her in.

If my spouse had my car keys like her's did I too would be pretty desperate to get my keys back. I can understand she was upset. I would have asked for the guards supervisor or someone in charge of the event. Stop making it a conflict between you and the one guard. If you're desire is reasonable (hers was) someone else is likely to side with you and find a way to get your keys back.

I believe her story, but I can also see how her interpretation of events might not be universal.

There are times I don't get treated well. I chalk it up to being short, fat and ugly. I guess if I was middle eastern I would blame that instead.

Don't forget that another woman, who explicitly said she didn't have a ticket, was nonetheless escorted downstairs.

I think, if you had been told that dwarfs, or obese people, or ugly people, weren't being allowed because of what some unrelated short/obese/ugly person had done a couple of weeks ago, you'd have a pretty good reason to chalk that up to your height/weight/appearance.

You're right that approaching a supervisor might have helped. Unfortunately, it's not always easy to think of that option in the moment.

 

[One Brow]

If it happened exactly as she said then yes the guards are bigoted/racist. If...

If it happened 90% as she said?