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green said:
Utah - uh...um...not a SINGLE player in that trade gets MAJOR minutes for this team. SIX players are deemed as more worthy of minutes than Favors. ELEVEN players are deemed as more worthy of minutes than Kanter. Either the Jazz suck at finding talent, have major problems at developing that talent, or have antiquated methods in playing players (ie, the need to "earn" it).

So far, the Jazz BY FAR, have been the losers of the Carmello/Deron trades. They gave up a top 3 pg, a top 10 player for no one that can get more than 23 mins a night, and isn't (in the Jazz organization's eyes) better than an undersized, scrappy PF who isn't scrappy anymore, and a soft player that is weak mentally, selfish on offense, lazy on defense, and doesn't care about winning C.
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I don't have the time/patience to listen to all of Locke's stuff. Has he ever given any kind of explanation/opinion/rationale for why the Jazz refuse to give Favors and Kanter more minutes?
 
My first and last thoughts is that the jazz are feeling a ton of embarrassment and pressure. Embarrassment, because they know that fans have been advocating a youth movement for most of the past 2 years. Embarrassment because everyone and their dog assumed that they were going to trade big al/Millsap to make way for favors/kanter before their contracts were up. Then, shortly after the trade deadline Dennis Lindsey did interviews explaining how they trusted in their vets and wanted to give them a shot at the playoffs and BOY did that blow up in their faces.

Now the pressure is on. The pressure to make significant changes this off season. They can't be lazy and just resign most of the FAs from this team because obviously they can't get it done. Pressure to fire Corbin. Pressure to trade up in the draft and get a point guard. Pressure to go with the young guys and perhaps stink for a year or two instead of remaining afloat with washed up vets.

That's my take.

A lil sidenote, I've never heard of a player leaving an organization because fans have booed. Or refusing to sign because fans booed. Lol so locke's comments on that might be the most asinine thing he has ever said. If folks think this market is tough, they should visit about 80 % of the other markets in pro sports. Their eyes shall be opened.
 
Ben10 said:
Because I thought is was well thought out and correct.
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It was neither "well thought out" nor "correct". He clearly stated that he thinks the fans should be nice so that we can somehow attract better players to come here. No player ever went anywhere because the fans were nice. Here are the ONLY reasons any player ever goes to any team: they were drafted there, they were traded there, or that team offered them the most money as an FA. Period. End of story.
 
green said:
So terrible they have made the Millers HUNDERDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Even though the Jazz haven't sniffed the Finals in almost 15 years, they keep the Jazz in the top 10 of attendance.



Former players who the fans feel slighted by. Deron said he wanted out. He was shipped and bitched about it. Fisher, who everyone knows is scum now, lied to the Jazz. The players come to Utah, are adored, get to play in front of packed crowds every night, make millions, then whine when they don't show any sort of loyalty back? Boo Hoo.



What miracles has KOC worked? The AK contract? Drafting Borchardt over Boozer? Humphries over Al? Having two expiring Bigs that either don't want to stay (Paul) or aren't worth what they will get paid (Al) and getting nothing for them? Drafting Hayward over George (even though I like this move) while Hayward mans a team that is fighting for the 8th seed and George is an All-Star on the third best team in their conference? Trading Deron for a player that Corbin feels is our 7th best player, then getting a third pick, drafting a guy that Corbin feels is our 11th best player? Having the most LOYAL coach quit on you, and not being able to hire his top assistant THAT NEVER LEFT HIS ASSISTANT JOB BECAUSE HE LOVES UTAH SO MUCH, and making a TERRIBLE hire to replace that coach? Resigning Harp and Memo. The list goes on and on.

What MIRACLES has KOC performed here?



He wasn't mocked for keeping the team. He is mocked for getting into arguments with Malone. He is mocked for thinking that Jazz fans are dumb enough to be happy watching a crappy team struggle to the playoffs, play the Spurs, talk about how scared they are of the Spurs, and then get promplty blown out of the building.



Twitter hacks? Read this:

https://www.grantland.com/story/_/i...n-paul-millsap-tyrone-corbin-future-utah-jazz

It's not twitter hacks and Jazz fans. It is EVERYONE OUTSIDE OF THE ORGINIZ



Like I said above, they couldn't keep the #1 assistant that still lives in Utah and now currently works on their broadcast. Johnson loves Utah, and at worst, really, really, really likes the Jazz. He left due to the management's mishandling of the Deron situation.

Who are these lottery players? Hayward, who only plays 25 mins a game. Favors who only plays 22 mins a game. Burks, who only plays 15 mins a game and Kanter, who only plays 15 mins a game. Either the Jazz suck at picking talent, developing talent, or aren't playing their best players. Either way, the Jazz have a problem.




Fisher's actions that last couple of years have kind of justified Jazz fans. Bad example.



The guy that was always hurt? The guy that said he wanted to "get paid"? We loved him before he did those things.



Again, Deron said he wanted out. He ran Sloan out of coaching. Again, Deron's actions the last couple of years has justified the boos.



If the Jazz didn't overpay him (KOC), then we love him. If he didn't decide to change his whole game, so he could score more, we love him. It wasn't all AK's fault, but he definitely didn't live up to his contract at all.



And yet KOC resigned them all at over-valued prices.



While passing on All-Star Paul George, leader on the #3 team in the East.



Read above.




Where is your mention of all the players we love? If Jazz fans are so terrible, why are the Jazz in the top 10 in attendance, even though the team hasn't been a competitor in almost 15 years? Why does the Miller organization use the Jazz to market their other business ventures? If Jazz fans are so bad, why are we used so often?



You're an idiot. We are happy with those things. We LOVED a 42-40 team that tried. We supported the third worst team in the NBA, knowing we would get a great lottery pick to compliment our hard working players on the 42-40 team. We don't like players that don't try. We don't like when the Jazz decide getting swept in the first round is better than getting better. We don't like being slightly better than average.



Again, you are an idiot. Greg Miller has made, at worst, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS off the Jazz. In fact, if you looked at their total profits from the day they bought the Jazz, I bet the profits are OVER A BILLION DOLLARS. And that doesn't include how he has used the Jazz and the goodwill of the fans to build his other ventures.



Yes, go Jazz.
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Commitment.
 
cowhide said:
As far as the threat of leaving SLC, I say go ahead and try to find this mythical city where the fans will always support the players and organization. Maybe it is in the same place that Glenn Beck is going to build his Utopia Americana city. Sorry but there is no place where NBA fans 100 percent support the team. Fans have a right to boo a bad performance or effort but I agree with Locke that booing former players every time they come back is only backing up the idea that Jazz fans are mean. Whether it is true or not.
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That city exists and the Millers already have an NBA team there. There is not another city in the country that would be as loyal as Jazz fans having gone almost 15 years without a trip to the finals.
 
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The Thriller said:
My first and last thoughts is that the jazz are feeling a ton of embarrassment and pressure. Embarrassment, because they know that fans have been advocating a youth movement for most of the past 2 years. Embarrassment because everyone and their dog assumed that they were going to trade big al/Millsap to make way for favors/kanter before their contracts were up. Then, shortly after the trade deadline Dennis Lindsey did interviews explaining how they trusted in their vets and wanted to give them a shot at the playoffs and BOY did that blow up in their faces.
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The sad thing is, had the Jazz traded Millsap and Al for NOTHING, they would have higher attendance, and at worst, the same record.
 
green said:
Seattle Jazz?

Sacramento Jazz?

Anaheim Jazz?
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Because of the outburst that has happened since Seattle lost their team Stern has come out ans said that just because someone owns a team doesn't mean that can move them.
 
orangello said:
Is there a timeline for this kind of stuff because it is been going on for over two years now.
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*Some events are entitled to a prolonged course of bad, terrible things. This is the case, especially, when Tyrone Corbin is involved.
 
orangello said:
Because of the outburst that has happened since Seattle lost their team Stern has come out ans said that just because someone owns a team doesn't mean that can move them.
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That's good. Another reason Utah won't leave Utah is that 1) The Jazz make a lot of money and 2) NBA teams are so easy to sell now because of the new CBA. There will be 10 people lined up to buy this franchise if they came up for sale. It would easy to find someone to keep them here.

If they can keep NO in NO, then the Jazz aren't going anywhere.

The Millers can thank the fans for that.
 
The Thriller said:
they know that fans have been advocating a youth movement for most of the past 2 years..
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Selective memory? Seems to me that this board was pretty skeptical about playing the youth more 2 years ago, and went so far as to be vehemently AGAINST, by about a 5 to 1 ratio , doing anything that could be described as "tanking", which was another word for the option of going with the youth.
 
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