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[karl malone]

Wasn't sure where else to post this. Does anyone know if OKC now has to give us their 2017 1st rd pick (if non-lottery) because of the Ibaka trade?

 

[SCS]

Yes, George Hill is way ahead of Chalmers. Late lottery picks were jack this year. Players who were projected to go in the 2nd round or late 1st ended up getting taken with late lottery picks this year.

Career stats
Hill- 11 ppg, 3 apg, 3rpg
Chalmers- 9 ppg, 4 apg, 3rpg

Hill is a better 3 pt shooter but I don't classify him as "way ahead"

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Career stats
Hill- 11 ppg, 3 apg, 3rpg
Chalmers- 9 ppg, 4 apg, 3rpg

Hill is a better 3 pt shooter but I don't classify him as "way ahead"

Cool.

Meanwhile the rest of the world who watches basketball think Hill is really good, including Zach Lowe who thinks he is better than Serge Ibaka.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_NBA 4h4 hours ago
The one thing that gets hammered home whenever he is in the news: a lot of people wildly underrated George Hill. He is really good.

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[♪alt13]

A-

The Jazz were given lemons and they made some ****in lemonade. Some of you are going to look so damn stupid when the season starts. I give the Jazz an A- when they probably deserve an A. Anything that would have made it an A probably just wasn't on the table(Trey Burke for anything)

 

[Rgiss]

Career stats
Hill- 11 ppg, 3 apg, 3rpg
Chalmers- 9 ppg, 4 apg, 3rpg

Hill is a better 3 pt shooter but I don't classify him as "way ahead"

Hill is 20x the defender Chalmers is.

 

[Rgiss]

Cool.

Meanwhile the rest of the world who watches basketball think Hill is really good, including Zach Lowe who thinks he is better than Serge Ibaka.

and we gave up a quarter of what Orlando gave up for Ibaka

 

[MDAV28]

Cool.

Meanwhile the rest of the world who watches basketball think Hill is really good, including Zach Lowe who thinks he is better than Serge Ibaka.

Anybody claiming Chalmers is near Hill is not worth responding to.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

It's an F for me. We completely wasted 3 valuable assets (#12, #42 and #60), we made no moves to clear the bottleneck at PG, we got no future assets via trade. The best thing we got from the whole process was a third string PF (if he makes the team). It's the worst draft I've ever seen the team have.

So picks 42-60 are valuable but somehow you've figured out that Bolomboy is a third string pf regardless? Interesting.

Every asset can be valuable if used the correct way. Would you call Isaiah Thomas a valuable asset to the Celtics? He was a 60th pick.

So, what if this Tyrone guy turns out to be good?

It's a waste because we could have just signed a similar combo guard in free agency without giving up anything. Mario Chalmers for instance.

ROTFL

Several 2nd round picks have turned out to be good players. Arguing over how valuable is a matter of pov I guess. But either way it's bad asset management.

Again what if one of those pg's drafted end up being really good?

Chalmers was just one example. The key factor here is, is George Hill THAT much better than Chalmers (or anyone else available in free agency) that you give up a lottery pick for him? No chance.

Hill was really good the year PG was injured, then PG came back and the Pacers signed Ellis. Hill's usage rate went way down. He was reduced to being a spot up shooter playing off the ball as a pg, because PG and Ellis had the ball. How many combo guards shoot it as good as he does then also plays great defense?

I have a feeling trading into the late first round probably got extremely hard with all the late lottery/mid first projected picks falling because teams where reaching for players.

U beat me to it. Had this very thought during the draft.

 

[Rgiss]

Hill was really good the year PG was injured, then PG came back and the Pacers signed Ellis. Hill's usage rate went way down. He was reduced to being a spot up shooter playing off the ball as a pg, because PG and Ellis had the ball. How many combo guards shoot it as good as he does then also plays great defense?

Not sure why people don't understand this. This was the only year he had a USG% over twenty, and it was by far and away his best season. Judging by Mack's USG% of 22.2, he'll have a more important role here than he did in Indiana in the non PG injury years. That season (14-15) he averaged 28.1/7.3/8.9 per 100 possessions on a 23.8 usg%. That's 16.9/4.4/5.3 per 60 possessions, or about 32 minutes of Jazz basketball. He also shot a fantastic 54%/36%/79% (2pt/3pt/fg) that year. That is what we can reasonably expect out of this guy.

 

[SCS]

So picks 42-60 are valuable but somehow you've figured out that Bolomboy is a third string pf regardless? Interesting.

He'll be third string to start his career. Favors and Lyles exist.

So, what if this Tyrone guy turns out to be good?

If he does, it won't be here. He's stuck behind 43 other point guards.

ROTFL

Whatever. If the Jazz would have picked up Chalmers or any other combo guard certain people would have been calling them the best thing since sliced bread too. Just like people are doing with Hill now, so. Stats say they are very similar.

Again what if one of those pg's drafted end up being really good?

Again, if they do it won't be on this team.

Hill was really good the year PG was injured, then PG came back and the Pacers signed Ellis. Hill's usage rate went way down. He was reduced to being a spot up shooter playing off the ball as a pg, because PG and Ellis had the ball. How many combo guards shoot it as good as he does then also plays great defense?

His three point shooting is great. But 11 ppg, 3 apg and 3 rpg is NOT special. It's a dime a dozen in the nba.

U beat me to it. Had this very thought during the draft.

So yeah, whatever. Different opinions.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

So yeah, whatever. Different opinions.

Got nothing? Basically u are clueless. Idiot!!


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