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Re-sign Kanter or sign Draymond Green?

Kanter or Green

  • Kanter

    Votes: 25 62.5%

  • Green

    Votes: 14 35.0%

  • Neither

    Votes: 1 2.5%
  • Total voters
    40
Originally Posted by mellow
. He drafted Trey Burke, signed Burks too soon for too much and did that thing with Hayward. If it weren't for lucking into Gobert Lindsey would be on the hot seat.
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freakazoid said:
Nope. Too soon to make claims about contracts. When the cap jumps, I suspect DL will be looking just fine. Also, it's pretty lame to claim the only thing he did right he lucked into. He absolutely gets credit for recognizing Gobert's potential and then finding a way to get his hands on him.
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This is funny (referring to mellow's post). Had DL given Hayward $12M/per before last season, we'd have had 10 fire DL threads. NO WAY is Hayward worth $12M everyone would have said. The guy had a horrible year. Lindsey could have signed him for $6-8M TOPS! And yes, he does deserve credit for Gobert. He even hinted that Rudy was going to be the pick with our second first-rounder (I specifically remember Lindsey referring to "an international player everyone was sleeping on"). And after trading both picks to move up, he definitely deserves credit for buying a pick and moving into position to take Gobert.
 
Primetime said:
Enes Kanters cap hold: $11.389.348

If we renounce his rights and don't pick up all the non-guaranteed contracts we have $12.273.485(The '15 1st round pick is included. I have the cap # for the 5th pick. If we are better than that, we'll have more cap space) in cap space.

If we can get rid of Novak we could have $15.498.393 in cap space.

If you can get an upgrade for Enes than it might be OK to led Enes walk but if we don't get something in quality and are just using the cap space for quantity than it might be a problem. Is the FO willing to take the chance of letting Enes go for nothing? I don't know but they better have ONE quality player hooked up before they go that route!

On a side note. I thought the right time to acquire a quality free agent was the last off season. Gordon's cap hold wasn't that high, Enes and Alec would be in their final year of their rookie contracts. We had about 10-15 Mil $ in cap space and din't have to move or renounce any rights.
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About what I figured - i.e. no cap space UNLESS we renounce rights to Kanter and Booker. Do you know the timeline for offering and rescinding qualifying offers? I would assume since contracts can't be signed until July 10th and teams start talking to FA's on July 1st, that gives Utah a window to see if any top-tier FA's would agree to a contract. If one did, then the QO to Kanter can be withdrawn. They could also renounce Booker and then turn around and use the MLE to sign him to a longer-term deal.
 
Hantlers said:
Playing experience/minutes > age. Makes more sense to go by minutes than age...typically figure after 3-4 years most players are who they are.
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Probably gonna have to include total basketball experience in there too (college, high school, etc)
 
Catchall said:
I think the Jazz will match on Kanter up to the 12-million range, unless they grab a solid big in this upcoming draft. Kanter has his limitations, but to upgrade means getting a near All Star-caliber 18/10 player with shooting range, passing and rim protection. There just aren't many players like that.
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To upgrade means getting all that? Kanter has no passing or rim protection skills.
 
Stifle Tower said:
About what I figured - i.e. no cap space UNLESS we renounce rights to Kanter and Booker. Do you know the timeline for offering and rescinding qualifying offers? I would assume since contracts can't be signed until July 10th and teams start talking to FA's on July 1st, that gives Utah a window to see if any top-tier FA's would agree to a contract. If one did, then the QO to Kanter can be withdrawn. They could also renounce Booker and then turn around and use the MLE to sign him to a longer-term deal.
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From Larry Coons https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44 :

"In order to make their free agent a restricted free agent, a team must submit a qualifying offer to the player between the day following the last game of the NBA Finals and June 30."

"A qualifying offer automatically expires on October 1, unless it is extended by the team (which is rarely done). A qualifying offer cannot be extended past March 1. If the deadline passes and the qualifying offer is neither withdrawn nor accepted, the player continues to be a restricted free agent. The team and player are free to negotiate a new contract after the qualifying offer expires -- the deadline only affects the player's ability to accept his qualifying offer."

"To summarize, a restricted free agent essentially has five options:

  • He can accept his prior team's qualifying offer, play for one season, and become a free agent again the following summer.
  • He can accept his prior team's maximum qualifying offer (if applicable, and if one has been submitted) and play under a long-term contract at the maximum salary.
  • He can negotiate a new contract with his prior team that is independent of the qualifying offer or maximum qualifying offer.
  • He can sign an offer sheet with another team through March 1, which his prior team is given the opportunity to match.
  • If he doesn't sign a qualifying offer, a contract, or an offer sheet for one year, his prior team can submit a new qualifying offer (or maximum qualifying offer), and the player becomes a restricted free agent again the following offseason."
 
Catchall said:
Oh, and Draymond Green isn't nearly the player Kanter is. Green is basically a kick-out option in the Warriors' spread offense. He plays a role like Marvin Williams.
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Yep. Other than the fact that he's an infinitely better defender, passer, and leader. Yep, no difference.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Yep. Other than the fact that he's an infinitely better defender, passer, and leader. Yep, no difference.
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They are both better at some things than the other.
Kanter is a better rebounder and scorer in the paint and will probably be the better outside shooter (maybe already is)
Green is the better defender and passer.

If salaries are similar, then I will go with the younger, bigger (more rare) player with more upside potential.
 
fishonjazz said:
They are both better at some things than the other.
Kanter is a better rebounder and scorer in the paint and will probably be the better outside shooter (maybe already is)
Green is the better defender and passer.

If salaries are similar, then I will go with the younger, bigger (more rare) player with more upside potential.
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Yes but it's not as if Green can't play inside and doesn't rebound. Kanter simply does not or can not pass. He does not or can not defend. We need well-rounded players like the Spurs have. Guys who are willing to defend and can defend, guys who have a high basketball iq, guys who know how to pass and do so, guys who can shoot the 3. Green can do all that. Kanter simply can't and is fatally flawed.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Yes but it's not as if Green can't play inside and doesn't rebound. Kanter simply does not or can not pass. He does not or can not defend. We need well-rounded players like the Spurs have. Guys who are willing to defend and can defend, guys who have a high basketball iq, guys who know how to pass and do so, guys who can shoot the 3. Green can do all that. Kanter simply can't and is fatally flawed.
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I think kanter plays better defense than he gets credit for.

There definitely is a huge discrepancy in passing though. In fact greens assist numbers are probably my favorite positive stat from either player.

Kanter did start playing bball late in life though, missed out on college, then played behind and learned from one of the all time great passing/assisting bigs for his first couple years.
I'm hoping, though not holding my breath that Quin can make enes improve his passing.

I think that enes well fetch more money than green which is good and bad. Good because that mean he is a more valuable asset to other teams and more desirable to other teams. Bad cause you always wish you can get good players cheap
 
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