Re-sign Kanter or sign Draymond Green?

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Don't they need to reup Harrison Barnes too?

Not until the next year.

 

[freakazoid]

Seriously though, why the hell did we give away Millsap if we want Green?.

Millsap was unrestricted, and Utah was a regressing team. The mistake Utah made was fooling themselves that unrestricted FAs would return to a crappy team at a time when they finally have some say in where they play. That's the reason we lost valuable assets for nothing and hurt our ability to rebuild quickly. Utah did not give Millsap away. Millsap chose a better opportunity and most players in his position would have done the same.

 

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Green is the flavor of the month and highly overrated. Put him on a team without the firepower that Gstate and he won't look good at all.

Can someone please tell me how you don't "like" a post?

 

[framer]

Millsap was unrestricted, and Utah was a regressing team. The mistake Utah made was fooling themselves that unrestricted FAs would return to a crappy team at a time when they finally have some say in where they play. That's the reason we lost valuable assets for nothing and hurt our ability to rebuild quickly. Utah did not give Millsap away. Millsap chose a better opportunity and most players in his position would have done the same.

Had we offered 10 or 11 million, I suspect Millsap would have returned. at 12 he definitely would have been back for 4 years. Of course had Millsap returned, we would be looking at having Doug McDermott instead of Exum and Hood and we probably would have already divested ourselves of one of Kanter or Gobert. The Golden State Deal wouldn't have happened, so our core going forward would have been Favors, Millsap, Hayward, Burks, and Burke with midlevel guys plus McDemott or Zack Levine and a landlocked Gobert (possibly) off the bench. That is your team. In a good year, if everything broke correctly, and we got lucky, we might make the second round.

That said, if we could swap Kanter before the deadline for value (depth at the 2, or a combo guard), THEN pick up Millsap after the season, we would be in business.

 

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In order to sign him I believe we would have to renounce the rights to Kanter to clear his cap hold. We could then sign green to a contract, then G-State matches, Aaaaand, we are screwed. THAT would be a short-sighted, bad GM move if ever there was one.

That's a fair point. So the question really is, do we want to re-sign Kanter? If not (and I lean that way because his limited athleticism and iq severely hurts him on defense), then it's really not an issue and we should be looking to trade him before the deadline.

Yes, we want to sign Kanter. Our chances of signing Green are slim to none, IMO, and even if we did, it probably gets matched anyway. Regardless of the Ws financial situation, Green will have opportunities to sign elsewhere with a team in a better situation to compete right away, and he'll still get paid. Also, I agree with E269 that GS will try to maneuver in other ways to cut payroll, before they let Green get away. Realistically, we'd have to take a big gamble with a big contract to pry him away, and I don't think he'll have any problem finding interest from a team in a better current situation. Hell, even if we were willing to max him out, lots of players would take less money to remain in what is a fantastic situation, when you consider his role on a team that could compete for a title. He likely stays with the Dubs, but if he leaves, it'll be for a payday with someone further along than Utah.
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If we really wanted to go after him, I believe we'd have a better shot at trading for him. If they really were against paying the tax, we might be able to pry him away by taking Lee's contract. We'd really have to want him, though. Something like Lee + Green for Treyd + Booker + Novak would work. It also would work if you replaced Novak with Evans, Murry and Clark, so that Trey would be the only guaranteed money for next year they'd have coming back. I think these trade scenarios are highly unlikely, but still a better chance than trying to steal a RFA from a team with a shot at a ring.
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As for Kanter, he has to be re-signed, IMO, and it has everything to do with the salary cap increase over the next two years. It's supposed to jump 5 mill next year and then 20 mill in 2016. Utah will have money to spend, but so will pretty much everybody else. I might buy into trying to maintain cap space to go after FAs if it looked like few teams would also have space, but that's not the case. There will be enough teams with significant cap room next year that Utah would almost certainly just be stuck with leftovers. The year after that is going to be worthless for us FA wise, because everybody will have money. If we had short-sighted management, I would be nervous as hell about 2016. That's the kind of situation that leads a team to give big money to Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva.
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At the end of the day, the huge cap increase in 2016 is going to put us in a situation where we have money, but few good options of where to spend it. Regardless of what you think of Kanter and his defensive liabilities, it's highly unlikely that Utah will find a better option in spending that money.

 

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Had we offered 10 or 11 million, I suspect Millsap would have returned. at 12 he definitely would have been back for 4 years. .

I'm not buying this, but you're entitled to your opinion. Millsap didn't want Utah to match the Blazer contract, and was resentful of having to play for a team that he felt had low-balled his value. Players in that situation usually bide their time and then bolt at the first opportunity, especially when that team is not in a winning situation. Between the bad blood and losing, I think he was more than happy to take less money for a better situation.

 

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I disagree here. Millsap said after he signed with Atlanta that he was disappointed the Jazz had not offered him a contract and that there was a good chance he would have stayed.

I'm not buying this, but you're entitled to your opinion. Millsap didn't want Utah to match the Blazer contract, and was resentful of having to play for a team that he felt had low-balled his value. Players in that situation usually bide their time and then bolt at the first opportunity, especially when that team is not in a winning situation. Between the bad blood and losing, I think he was more than happy to take less money for a better situation.

 

[freakazoid]

I disagree here. Millsap said after he signed with Atlanta that he was disappointed the Jazz had not offered him a contract and that there was a good chance he would have stayed.

Yeah, I know he did, but players say a lot of things. I'd like to know the context of when that was said. Half the time with quotes like that, players are just trying to answer a reporter's question and they are just speaking off the top of their head. I believe he may have been disappointed that Utah didn't make an offer, but I don't believe he was coming back. Either way, you have to take everything players/coaches/GMs say to the media with a grain of salt.

 

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Yeah, I know he did, but players say a lot of things. I'd like to know the context of when that was said. Half the time with quotes like that, players are just trying to answer a reporter's question and they are just speaking off the top of their head. I believe he may have been disappointed that Utah didn't make an offer, but I don't believe he was coming back. Either way, you have to take everything players/coaches/GMs say to the media with a grain of salt.

I still think he liked it here a lot. But maybe he was just sick of the way things were going. It is definitely a better situation for him in the east. There is probably no way he is an all star in the west, just because of all the talented forwards out here. He should have made more than a two year, 19 mil deal though.

 

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I still think he liked it here a lot. But maybe he was just sick of the way things were going. It is definitely a better situation for him in the east. There is probably no way he is an all star in the west, just because of all the talented forwards out here. He should have made more than a two year, 19 mil deal though.

This right here. When he went to the Hawks, they weren't exactly on the radar as being a great destination. Fan support there has traditionally sucked. It wasn't a better situation personally for Millsap. Had Utah offered better or even equal money he stays and becomes the star of the team by default. The Hawks lowballed him, so if he was mad about the negotiations with Utah, it isn't like Atlanta was showing him the money. Part of him staying probably would have been an "understanding" that something had to happen with Kanter. I'll bet he bails on Atlanta. Would like to see him here.

 

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How can you even answer this poll without salary numbers? It seems like op wants to know who people think is better, so he should just ask that maybe? Idk, is that right?

 

[freakazoid]

This right here. When he went to the Hawks, they weren't exactly on the radar as being a great destination. Fan support there has traditionally sucked. It wasn't a better situation personally for Millsap. Had Utah offered better or even equal money he stays and becomes the star of the team by default. The Hawks lowballed him, so if he was mad about the negotiations with Utah, it isn't like Atlanta was showing him the money. Part of him staying probably would have been an "understanding" that something had to happen with Kanter. I'll bet he bails on Atlanta. Would like to see him here.

The big difference being that Atlanta couldn't force him to play there, like we did. As far as it not being a better situation, that's the homer perspective, IMO. He became an all-star and is now starting on the #2 seed in the east. It's true that Atlanta is better off now than when Sap signed, but Utah was a regressing team that just missed the playoffs. It was a better situation, and the way things have turned out only prove that it wasn't just better, but considerably so.