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Re-sign Kanter or sign Draymond Green?

Kanter or Green

  • Kanter

    Votes: 25 62.5%

  • Green

    Votes: 14 35.0%

  • Neither

    Votes: 1 2.5%
  • Total voters
    40
freakazoid said:
https://espn.go.com/blog/golden-state-warriors/post/_/id/252/does-draymond-green-deserve-a-max-deal
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I think that we'd be absolute fools not to throw the max at Green in the offseason. Which is all the reason more to trade Kanter. Get something now for him so you don't have to let him walk. I guarantee we would a lot better team with Draymond Green than Enes Kanter. It's a long shot, but it's worth it. A lot of teams will be questioning themselves on offering a "role player the max. We would have a decent shot. I bet Golden State ends up matching, but I think it's worth it. Because we'd still be getting something for Kanter.. It's worth a try. It's not like we are trading a Key player. I think Favors and Gobert are our future bigs. Kanter is now expendable. We should be thanking our lucky stars for Gobert. Because now we can start making some decisions, like we always knew we would. DL says don't skip steps. I think this is a step. It's not skipping steps. We were never going to keep all these players anyway

I'm going to be disappointed if we stay the course for too long and we start to miss windows like these, and also repeat the past of either letting Kanter walk for nothing, or extremely over pay for a 1 way player for 4 very long years. A backup no less


If we keep Kanter then all we get from that is Kanter, and his fat contract.

If we trade Kanter, then we get what we got from the trade plus an opportunity to to go after Green or any other free agent (assuming we don't trade for any big contracts in the Kanter trade).
 
To say "throw the max" at Green is fine to in theory, but a) would he sign an offer sheet with Utah? and b) why wouldn't Golden State match it? Just like Utah, the Warriors know the cap is going up by $20M in 2016. Even a max offer for Green will be manageable. And his friendship with Curry likely means his agent just calls up the GS front office, tells them Utah (amongst other teams?) has offered X dollars and GS writes up a new contract for that amount.

I think the only way the Jazz can even clear enough cap room to make a max offer is to clear Enes and Booker completely off the books, renounce all exceptions and then probably have to find a taker for Novak's contract. After adding back roster holds (have to account for 12 spots), the Jazz could be around $50M, I believe. GVC or anyone else, please check my math! So any asset(s) obtained for Kanter in a trade that are not current expiring contracts would eat into that cap space.

What then happens if we can't get a top tier player to sign with Utah, or in Green's case, let's say the worst case happens: he signs an offer sheet, forcing Utah to make all those moves to clear up space, then GS matches. Great, we have $15-$16M in cap space (depending on how much the cap rises), but we've lost half our bigs. Kanter and Booker are going to find other teams when their options are not picked up by Utah. If the Jazz sign a wing to a big contract, they'd only have the remainder of their cap space or the Room Mid-Level exception to replenish the bigs (assuming they renounce the Non-Tax Payer MLE to clear enough cap space to make a big free agent offer).

There is always the risk of losing Kanter "for nothing." But I think Utah will hedge their bets. Let's say the unlikely happens: Wesley Matthews or Paul Millsap decides he misses Utah and all of us at Jazzfanz. One of them offers to come back for a max deal at $15M/per. Then Utah makes all those roster moves to free up the necessary cap space. And in that scenario, I would think of it as kind of a trade: Booker and Kanter for Matthews or Millsap. If none of that happens (which is MORE probable), Jazz retain Kanter's rights, still have their exceptions (and Booker) and can either convince Kanter to be the 3rd big, do a S&T or match a contract and look to make trades next season or the summer after - when even a HUGE deal for Kanter will look like a bargain.
 
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Hack said:
I think that we'd be absolute fools not to throw the max at Green in the offseason.
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Most people disagree with you. I'm skeptical. Players like this who are in an ideal situation don't always perform the same on a lesser team. The spurs have a reputation for finding all the right role players, but in reality almost anybody is going to look better on that team than they would on most others. Anyway, there's a good discussion on this here:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1367286
 
I don't get the facination with signing Draymond Green for a RFA Max contract. There's way too many things at play to make it a sure thing, and I'm not convinced that he would step his game up a level (like Hayward has) to make that contract justifiable. The Jazz have Gobert, Favors and Hayward as the top three players. Exum might be the future at PG, but it's going to take time and work for him to get there (and for the record, I think he'll be a star). Burke is better now, but his ceiling is low because he shoots way too much for how efficient he is. I can see him as an above-average backup though. Kanter would be a quality big, but like with Green, I'm worried about spending too much for a guy that's not a core player moving forward. I've been a big fan of his for a long time, and I want the Jazz to be able to cash in on his incredible potential, but I don't know if that's ever going to be realized in Utah.

If the Jazz truly decide to commit to the Gobert/Favors/Hayward lineup, I think that they need to look to add another potential first option wing and a PG. IMO, that means that they need to trade for one and sign one. If they're going to do that, they should look to trade Kanter's rights, and/or Burke and a helluva lot of draft picks for a young all star caliber wing and the go all in on getting Goran Dragic.

Gobert/Favors/Hayward/Wing#2/Dragic starting. . . Add a big to replace Kanter this offseason, Booker, Hood, Burks, Exum, Neto (who should have come over last year), Jingles, Baby Sap for another year and then a free agent/draft pick or two to fill out the bench. . .

That would be worth looking at Kanter trade possibilities. If they do trade him, I want it to be part of a bigger deal for a potential star. Forget about going Kanter for pieces. Use his contract to pair with draft picks and go big, or go home. Otherwise, take your chances with free agency and see what happens.

Oh. . . and to increase his value, I'd start a rotation of Gobert/Favors to start games, and then bring Kanter in for Favors and have him play with Rudy. Rudy makes everyone look better. Playing Kanter off the bench AND keeping him with Rudy is the best way to increase his trade value. Bigs who can score are valuable even if they can't play strong defense.
 
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Hack said:
I think that we'd be absolute fools not to throw the max at Green in the offseason. Which is all the reason more to trade Kanter. Get something now for him so you don't have to let him walk. I guarantee we would a lot better team with Draymond Green than Enes Kanter. It's a long shot, but it's worth it. A lot of teams will be questioning themselves on offering a "role player the max. We would have a decent shot. I bet Golden State ends up matching, but I think it's worth it. Because we'd still be getting something for Kanter.. It's worth a try. It's not like we are trading a Key player. I think Favors and Gobert are our future bigs. Kanter is now expendable. We should be thanking our lucky stars for Gobert. Because now we can start making some decisions, like we always knew we would. DL says don't skip steps. I think this is a step. It's not skipping steps. We were never going to keep all these players anyway

I'm going to be disappointed if we stay the course for too long and we start to miss windows like these, and also repeat the past of either letting Kanter walk for nothing, or extremely over pay for a 1 way player for 4 very long years. A backup no less


If we keep Kanter then all we get from that is Kanter, and his fat contract.

If we trade Kanter, then we get what we got from the trade plus an opportunity to to go after Green or any other free agent (assuming we don't trade for any big contracts in the Kanter trade).
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Green at the max gives me the shakes. He is like a 4th option on Golden State. He averages 11 points on low efficiency. He averages 3 assists because Curry and Thompson don't miss.
Luckily DL would never dream of offering him that.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Green at the max gives me the shakes. He is like a 4th option on Golden State. He averages 11 points on low efficiency. He averages 3 assists because Curry and Thompson don't miss.
Luckily DL would never dream of offering him that.
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He also averages 8 rebounds, a couple steals and is #1 in the entire league in defensive rating.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
He also averages 8 rebounds, a couple steals and is #1 in the entire league in defensive rating.
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Good points, obviously it helps he plays with established defenders in Bogut, Barnes, and Thompson though. Not saying he wouldn't be an upgrade to Kanter, but with a max to Gobert looming in a couple years I couldn't pull the trigger on anything more than 10 a year. We haven't even found our long term PG yet.
 
If the Jazz are paying max money, they new a guy who can be a #1 option on offense. Paying Green that much would be a mistake. Hayward is clearly the better player, and people were bitching high and low about matching his max offer, despite the fact that he also does the little things, is a better offensive option and had spent his entire career in Utah. Plus the Jazz would have lost him for nothing at that point.

They have a good thing going between Gobert, Favors, Hayward and potentially Exum. They need a #1 option on offense at the wing and a PG who can start until Exum is ready.
 
Ellis269 said:
If the Jazz are paying max money, they new a guy who can be a #1 option on offense. Paying Green that much would be a mistake. Hayward is clearly the better player, and people were bitching high and low about matching his max offer, despite the fact that he also does the little things, is a better offensive option and had spent his entire career in Utah. Plus the Jazz would have lost him for nothing at that point.

They have a good thing going between Gobert, Favors, Hayward and potentially Exum. They need a #1 option on offense at the wing and a PG who can start until Exum is ready.
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Jazz4ever said:
Good points, obviously it helps he plays with established defenders in Bogut, Barnes, and Thompson though. Not saying he wouldn't be an upgrade to Kanter, but with a max to Gobert looming in a couple years I couldn't pull the trigger on anything more than 10 a year. We haven't even found our long term PG yet.
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I don't think I would offer him the max either tbh and also would be reluctant to offer him a deal knowing we'd have to renounce Kanter's rights and he pretty much plays the same position as Favors. But still, I had to defend the guy. He's a great basketball player and everyone's dismissal of him around here just goes to show how little many users know of the sport.
 
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