Thee Jazz Fan
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Feels like you don’t understand me anymore, am I the only one trying in this relationship??
RealGM reports Jazz interested in Trading for John Collins
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I think he is certainly better than Sexton at the very least. Maybe in a more 5 out oriented offense where there more ball and player movement he would thrive. Can't say for sure, don't watch nearly enough Atlanta to say with certainty, but he got worse this year when they added another ball dominant guard
Coach Ellis
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I’m conflicted. I actually like John Collins, but I’m not sure what his fit is with this team. I’m willing to give it a chance - considering how well the Jazz have made out so far with other team’s castoffs.
The Jazz, as currently constructed, have a 1.5 year window before they have to do something. Conley (35), Olynyk (31), Beasley (25), Vando (23), THT (21) and Gay (36) all expire after next year. Clarkson (30) will need an extension because he’s going to opt out. The Jazz should still be focused on adding long term players or draft assets. If they think Collins helps them get better, without giving up any of the future core players. . . they should absolutely look at a trade. I’d prefer to not send out any of their premium picks yet though. Collins doesn’t move the needle like that.
I’m hoping this type of news is more built around setting the stage for other teams to start calling about players the Jazz might consider moving before the deadline.
The Jazz, as currently constructed, have a 1.5 year window before they have to do something. Conley (35), Olynyk (31), Beasley (25), Vando (23), THT (21) and Gay (36) all expire after next year. Clarkson (30) will need an extension because he’s going to opt out. The Jazz should still be focused on adding long term players or draft assets. If they think Collins helps them get better, without giving up any of the future core players. . . they should absolutely look at a trade. I’d prefer to not send out any of their premium picks yet though. Collins doesn’t move the needle like that.
I’m hoping this type of news is more built around setting the stage for other teams to start calling about players the Jazz might consider moving before the deadline.
Collins is the perfect type of move I would look into. KO + Vando + Gay is almost perfect matching salary. Opens up more playing time for Kessler and Simone as well.
Eddie Zero
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you mean the cheater? lol the fact the Hawks had to pay him so he didn't walk for nothing, just to recoup value by getting rid of him later.
Sure lets bring in another cast away and let him make the Hawks look stupid lol.
Marky is the future here .Hell he is the NOW.
Collins is available because Okongwu is much cheaper Hunter is still there and Capella is better.
I think he is overpaid and there are a couple other high energy forwards, who maybe will get paid down the road that would be much better to target now for the Jazz at cheaper deals.
Hawks probably want to use Collins to trade up not sideways anyways. I think they try to make a play for KD.
Sure lets bring in another cast away and let him make the Hawks look stupid lol.
Marky is the future here .Hell he is the NOW.
Collins is available because Okongwu is much cheaper Hunter is still there and Capella is better.
I think he is overpaid and there are a couple other high energy forwards, who maybe will get paid down the road that would be much better to target now for the Jazz at cheaper deals.
Hawks probably want to use Collins to trade up not sideways anyways. I think they try to make a play for KD.
Isaiah 1:13
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John Collins Trade Rumors: Jazz Have Made Inquiry Into Hawks Forward
The Utah Jazz have reportedly "shown interest” in Atlanta Hawks power forward John Collins in recent weeks. Shams Charania of Stadium and The Athletic reported...
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“Another team that has made an inquiry and shown interest in the last weeks and months.”
I’m not going to read too much into it as it doesn’t convey any urgency and sounds like old news. It does project a buyer’s mentality, but not sure who we’d move to match his massive salary. He’s a dog, we could use a real junkyard dog in the starting lineup IMO.
Imagine Vando the energizer disrupter coming off the bench! New sixth man candidate!
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Eddie Zero
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I mean if the Jazz really like Collins and Hawks want to part with the Rookie Griffin with him, for more tested vet like JC to fill that role for their playoff piush , and maybe slightly more proven contributor in the same type in Beasley. I can see a small amount of light through that crack. Collins Griffin and a 1st round pick swap in 2023 for JC Beasley and a lottery protected Cavs firstJohn Collins Trade Rumors: Jazz Have Made Inquiry Into Hawks Forward
The Utah Jazz have reportedly "shown interest” in Atlanta Hawks power forward John Collins in recent weeks. Shams Charania of Stadium and The Athletic reported...syndication.bleacherreport.com
“Another team that has made an inquiry and shown interest in the last weeks and months.”
I’m not going to read too much into it as it doesn’t convey any urgency and sounds like old news. It does project a buyer’s mentality, but not sure who we’d move to match his massive salary. He’s a dog, we could use a real junkyard dog in the starting lineup IMO.
Isaiah 1:13
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I think we’re giving up too much firepower in that deal. One or the other maybe, not both. Rather move Sexton and filler, I.e., Gay, NAW, Azubuike, Bolmaro (whatever they want out of that group) and like you say, a single first.
Definitely rather wait till the 15th of December and deal Sexton ahead of Clarkson or Beasley.
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If they do, we inform them that it's picks plural, and they're not going east.
HeatCheck
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From what I've read and seen with their team, Atlanta has a few priorities:
1. Stay under the tax threshold which is why they stupidly gave away Huerter for a draft pick.
2. They now need a shooter to replace Huerter. Their Bogdanovic (Bogdan) is injured and they would allegedly love to dump him in a deal. Beasley is from ATL and could fit that bill.
3. They would want a big in return that can play with Capela and Okongwu. Olynyk has enough ball skills to play with those two.
4. Their less urgent need is to to find a 3rd guard who can play the Lou Williams role for them. Clarkson and Sexton could be fits although they are win now and would likely demand JC. Their ownership is getting cheap and probably wouldn't want Sexton's contract.
5. They probably want at least one FRP to help re-stock their shelves after giving away so many in the Dejounte deal.
Olynyk, Beasley + Clarkson+ worst '23 FRP for Collins + Bogdanovic works financially. That's alot of change for a Jazz team that is playing so well at the moment though.
They could wait until December 15th and swap out JC for Sexton if ATL is willing to take on a multi year contract which I find doubtful after they gave away Huerter's contract.
1. Stay under the tax threshold which is why they stupidly gave away Huerter for a draft pick.
2. They now need a shooter to replace Huerter. Their Bogdanovic (Bogdan) is injured and they would allegedly love to dump him in a deal. Beasley is from ATL and could fit that bill.
3. They would want a big in return that can play with Capela and Okongwu. Olynyk has enough ball skills to play with those two.
4. Their less urgent need is to to find a 3rd guard who can play the Lou Williams role for them. Clarkson and Sexton could be fits although they are win now and would likely demand JC. Their ownership is getting cheap and probably wouldn't want Sexton's contract.
5. They probably want at least one FRP to help re-stock their shelves after giving away so many in the Dejounte deal.
Olynyk, Beasley + Clarkson+ worst '23 FRP for Collins + Bogdanovic works financially. That's alot of change for a Jazz team that is playing so well at the moment though.
They could wait until December 15th and swap out JC for Sexton if ATL is willing to take on a multi year contract which I find doubtful after they gave away Huerter's contract.
