Realistic Trade Target: James Ennis

[Handlogten's Heros]

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Craig is an offensive liability.

Ennis isnt some GOAT, but he isnt a liability on either end. I think if you get him in a good offensive system, he's a guy who can get some buckets out of the blender as a driver in ways that Royce/Oni can't.

I see what you are saying... I just prefer the stay in your lane types... especially because Joe and Favs gonna run that second unit and JC ain't starting blenders... he is the blender.

Again... if it was to supplement the bench as injury insurance I'm good. I'd just really like to see what Oni can actually do. He might be capable of doing some of the other stuff if he was more comfortable. He wasn't this one dimensional in the G league.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, none of that makes sense to me. If you put Ennis in against the Clips, Morris isnt going to try to take advantage of him on mismatches the same way he would Oni or Niang. He wouldnt get scored on at the same rate. He's more experienced and has better size. He'd allow Ingles to not have to guard the best player on the court for bench lineups the same way he does if he shares the floor with Niang. Oni just doesnt have forward size to guard up positions on bigger forwards like Ennis does.

It's a cheap upgrade (I would think) that is worth doing 100%. The dude is putting up Ingles shooting numbers this year on actual rotation minutes while providing average or better defense and increasing the overall athletic floor of the team.

Do you honestly expect him to shoot 46% from 3 ? Or do you expect the expect the 31 year old to regress back to his career 36% shooting?

Ennis might be better guarding up a position... might be an upgrade over Niang or Oni... so sure let's do it... but I doubt Quin gonna trust him right away... not sure he will play over those guys. Beggers can't be choosers so if the price is right then get him and figure it out later.

Not that we have to care about Oni's feelings but if I was him I'd be pissed if they made an acquisition like this and gave him a shot instead of me.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

 

[KqWIN]

It's not the worst idea, but do we even have a second round pick to trade at this point?

There's also something about guys like Ennis and GR3 that give me an empty calorie vibe. They are theoretical 3&D guys, who everyone needs, but in practice aren't really great at either. I actually feel better about relying on the young guys (Oni, Morgan, Brantley) to provide the defensive impact we're longing for and would rather use our last roster spot on another ball handler.

We already have so many roster spots dedicated to these wing types. If Conley were to get injured I think we're a little light on ball handling.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Cool?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

It's not the worst idea, but do we even have a second round pick to trade at this point?

There's also something about guys like Ennis and GR3 that give me an empty calorie vibe. They are theoretical 3&D guys, who everyone needs, but in practice aren't really great at either. I actually feel better about relying on the young guys (Oni, Morgan, Brantley) to provide the defensive impact we're longing for and would rather use our last roster spot on another ball handler.

We already have so many roster spots dedicated to these wing types. If Conley were to get injured I think we're a little light on ball handling.

Jazz have the Warriors' 2RP this year. Should be in the mid-40s. Combine that with a TPE, and the Jazz can pick up a $3M or $5M player.

TBH, there are several players still on rookie deals who would fit into the Jazz's trade exceptions, including Troy Brown Jr. He'd require a future 1st though.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm actually coming around a little here. I'd be supportive of this type of deal. The on/off splits are really good with Ennis.

I do think we are ****ing married to Niang after listening to Locke. I really don't think Ennis would replace Niang in the rotation.

We are going to need cheap labor next year if/when we bring Mike back. A guy like Ennis might be able to be retained on a minimum deal and provide better than minimum production.

Another guy out there is Kenrich Williams. He might be an upgraded version of Niang but the shot is tough to trust based on historic production and weak FT shooting.

The issue as @infection with any of these guys is that we seem to be married to Niang and none of these guys are such a clear upgrade over him that Quin will change his rotation. Niang is a good option now but might not be the best option in the playoffs

 

[KqWIN]

I'm actually coming around a little here. I'd be supportive of this type of deal. The on/off splits are really good with Ennis.

I do think we are ****ing married to Niang after listening to Locke. I really don't think Ennis would replace Niang in the rotation.

We are going to need cheap labor next year if/when we bring Mike back. A guy like Ennis might be able to be retained on a minimum deal and provide better than minimum production.

Another guy out there is Kenrich Williams. He might be an upgraded version of Niang but the shot is tough to trust based on historic production and weak FT shooting.

The issue as @infection with any of these guys is that we seem to be married to Niang and none of these guys are such a clear upgrade over him that Quin will change his rotation. Niang is a good option now but might not be the best option in the playoffs

I like Kenrich too. Even if he can't shoot, he does a lot of other stuff well. Great contract too which would come in handy in the upcoming years.

I also think you're right about Niang. Quin really seems to value his institutional knowledge...and honestly I don't think that's a bad thing. The things that Niang are doing poorly are things I have a great deal of confidence that he'll get better at (shooting, offensive decision making) and he's been really solid on defense this year.

I do think Oni should get a chance to play, however, and that has more to do with Oni looking really good than Niang's struggles.

 

[whatthe]

Jazz have the Warriors' 2RP this year. Should be in the mid-40s. Combine that with a TPE, and the Jazz can pick up a $3M or $5M player.

TBH, there are several players still on rookie deals who would fit into the Jazz's trade exceptions, including Troy Brown Jr. He'd require a future 1st though.

Oni vs Troy Brown. I loved both of these players. I think Oni could be a better defender and shooter. Troy a better ball handler and more size to bang against 4's. But damn Troy is young and versatile plus the Wizards suck at development so his skill can be unlocked.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Oni vs Troy Brown. I loved both of these players. I think Oni could be a better defender and shooter. Troy a better ball handler and more size to bang against 4's. But damn Troy is young and versatile plus the Wizards suck at development so his skill can be unlocked.

I was a huge Troy stan in the draft, but his numbers suck really bad. The Wizards arent that bad at developing. At some point it's on the player to produce.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Jazz have the Warriors' 2RP this year. Should be in the mid-40s. Combine that with a TPE, and the Jazz can pick up a $3M or $5M player.

TBH, there are several players still on rookie deals who would fit into the Jazz's trade exceptions, including Troy Brown Jr. He'd require a future 1st though.

Would Troy Brown require a future 1st? He's a 3rd year guy whose stats have dropped across the board along with minutes. He hasnt even had a promising game this year.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Cool?

She's a Magic fan. IDK, just trying to promote some Ennis propaganda.

 

[NAOS]

Also if they wanted an Ennis like guy you should have got in on the Craig deal... I think he's a better version of that type of player. He was had just for the trade exception and we should have good enough ties to the Milwaukee front office to get the inside scoop.

This. That Craig deal hurt me

 

[idiot]

I'm with HH on this one. I'm perfectly happy if Ennis ends up on the Jazz. He's a good, depth piece -- perhaps as good as we can do under the circumstances. I like Cy's suggestion here. I just don't think he breaks the rotation unless injuries occur.

And I don't really buy the argument that he offers size we're currently missing. He's longer than Royce, but he's nowhere near as tough. About the only big forward I'd trust him on more than Royce is Brandon Ingram -- perhaps.

He just strikes me as completely average at most everything, including size. Where he's not average, he's mostly a little below (creating, dribbling, perhaps passing), though this year's shooting happens to be well above average. But given our circumstances, average is good and another depth piece in his role would be wonderful.

 

[idiot]

This. That Craig deal hurt me

Though Craig is very likely the better defender, he's definitely a worse shooter than Ennis. I think it's kind of sixes between them for our team.

 

[NAOS]

Though Craig is very likely the better defender, he's definitely a worse shooter than Ennis. I think it's kind of sixes between them for our team.

Craig is heavier in the shorts, though. I’m most worried about the bigger powerwings. And his experience in Milwaukee would’ve helped him integrate with our roster.

And he was basically free.

 

[jom2003]

It's not the worst idea, but do we even have a second round pick to trade at this point?

The earliest second round pick we have available is in 2028.

2021 first round draft pick to Memphis
if Utah has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Memphis by 2024, then Utah will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick and 2026 2nd round pick to Memphis [Memphis-Utah, 7/6/2019]

2021 second round draft pick to Indiana
Utah's 2021 2nd round pick to Indiana [Indiana-Utah, 6/21/2019]

2022 second round draft pick to New Orleans
Utah's 2022 2nd round pick to New Orleans [New Orleans-Utah, 11/19/2020]

2023 second round draft pick to New York
Utah's 2023 2nd round pick to New York [New York-Utah, 11/22/2020]

2024 second round draft pick to New York or Indiana
New York will receive the more favorable of Utah's 2024 2nd round pick and Cleveland's 2024 2nd round pick and Indiana will receive the less favorable of the two (via Utah's right to swap for Cleveland) [Cleveland-Sacramento-Utah, 2/8/2018; New York-Utah, 11/22/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021]

2027 second round draft pick to Cleveland
Utah's 2027 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Utah, 11/27/2020]

 

[NAOS]

Can someone tell me if it’s possible for us to trade a 1st round pick right now (specifically structuring the deal so that the pick conveys in either 2023 or 2024 — depending on next pick going to Memphis is conveyed)?

 

[NAOS]

Also, I don’t recall the specifics of the next pick to Memphis.... but it’s basically certain to convey next draft, right?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Can someone tell me if it’s possible for us to trade a 1st round pick right now (specifically structuring the deal so that the pick conveys in either 2023 or 2024 — depending on next pick going to Memphis is conveyed)?

Yes. We trade the pick with the structure that it conveys two years after the memphis pick. So it would basically be a 2024 pick... we could also trade our 2026 or 27 pick too.