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Realistic Trade Target: James Ennis

infection said:
Trade all of them.
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FAILED STATE said:
Yeah I think I’m in that boat, too. Maybe not all of them, but now is the time to push at least one of those across the negotiating table.

Lets see some All-In Moves
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1- Only if they are protected and turn into seconds if they don't convey.
2-Only if we can make a meaningful improvement.

While DM is young the rest of this team is not... we are 2-3 years away from a rebuild (or at least considering a rebuild) unless one of our other picks hits.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
1- Only if they are protected and turn into seconds if they don't convey.
2-Only if we can make a meaningful improvement.

While DM is young the rest of this team is not... we are 2-3 years away from a rebuild (or at least considering a rebuild) unless one of our other picks hits.
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For sure.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes. We trade the pick with the structure that it conveys two years after the memphis pick. So it would basically be a 2024 pick... we could also trade our 2026 or 27 pick too.
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We can't trade any first round pick between 2021 and 2024 because of the protection. Starting 2025 it's fair game
 
FAILED STATE said:
Also, I don’t recall the specifics of the next pick to Memphis.... but it’s basically certain to convey next draft, right?
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Should convey for the 2022 draft, where It is top6 protected. To convey for the 2021 draft It should fall between 8 and 14.
 
jom2003 said:
We can't trade any first round pick between 2021 and 2024 because of the protection. Starting 2025 it's fair game
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We can trade 2024 conditionally... just would have to convey 2 years after the memphis pick... technically we could call it 2023 if we wanted but it would be contigent on the memphis pick conveying in 2021 which will not happen.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We can trade 2024 conditionally... just would have to convey 2 years after the memphis pick... technically we could call it 2023 if we wanted but it would be contigent on the memphis pick conveying in 2021 which will not happen.
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Yes but none of this apply to this year's trade deadline unfortunately because a deal can only be made after it becomes certain as to when we will convey the Memphis pick due to the Stepien rule(no trading of first round pick in two consecutive seasons). So as long as the possibility of us conveying the pick to Memphis still exists for that season, we cannot trade our first round pick for the following season, which makes our pick in any year between 2021 and 2024 untouchable because the conveying could occur in any year. We cannot even trade our first round pick on draft day this year because it could potentially violate the Stepien rule if we convey the pick to Memphis next year.

So let me correct myself, right now the earliest first round pick we can deal for is 2025, and it has to be a pick swap because it might violate the Stepien rule if we convey the pick in 2024.
 
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jom2003 said:
Yes but none of this apply to this year's trade deadline unfortunately because a deal can only be made after it becomes certain as to when we will convey the Memphis pick due to the Stepien rule(no trading of first round pick in two consecutive seasons). So as long as the possibility of us conveying the pick to Memphis still exists for that season, we cannot trade our first round pick for the following season, which makes our pick in any year between 2021 and 2024 untouchable because the conveying could occur in any year. We cannot even trade our first round pick on draft day this year because it could potentially violate the Stepien rule if we convey the pick to Memphis next year.
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I'm fairly sure this is incorrect. You simply just make the pick protections such that it conveys two years after... if what you were saying was correct we can't trade any pick until the Memphis pick conveys and it has protections all the way out to 2024... so the earliest would be 2026 currently.
 
jom2003 said:
Yes but none of this apply to this year's trade deadline unfortunately because a deal can only be made after it becomes certain as to when we will convey the Memphis pick due to the Stepien rule(no trading of first round pick in two consecutive seasons). So as long as the possibility of us conveying the pick to Memphis still exists for that season, we cannot trade our first round pick for the following season, which makes our pick in any year between 2021 and 2024 untouchable because the conveying could occur in any year. We cannot even trade our first round pick on draft day this year because it could potentially violate the Stepien rule if we convey the pick to Memphis next year.

So let me correct myself, right now the earliest first round pick we can deal for is 2025, and it has to be a pick swap because it might violate the Stepien rule if we convey the pick in 2024.
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You can trade a pick it just has to be contingent on the Stepien rule being met. The acquirer would just understand that the year is static. So it would be a 2023 or 2024 first rounder in the first allowable draft after the obligation to Memphis is satisfied.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm fairly sure this is incorrect. You simply just make the pick protections such that it conveys two years after... if what you were saying was correct we can't trade any pick until the Memphis pick conveys and it has protections all the way out to 2024... so the earliest would be 2026 currently.
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pick swap is the only way to bypass the stepien rule. there is simply no projecting as to when we will convey the first round pick to memphis. and given our record at the moment, i'm not sure any team would be interested in swapping their first round pick with us.
 
jom2003 said:
pick swap is the only way to bypass the stepien rule. there is simply no projecting as to when we will convey the first round pick to memphis. and given our record at the moment, i'm not sure any team would be interested in swapping their first round pick with us.
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You’re not actually trading a pick, though. You’re trading a contingency. And that contingency is predicated on not violating Stepien rule.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You can trade a pick it just has to be contingent on the Stepien rule being met. The acquirer would just understand that the year is static. So it would be a 2023 or 2024 first rounder in the first allowable draft after the obligation to Memphis is satisfied.
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then if we don't convey until 2023 then 2023/2024picks will be clearly off the table. look, it sounds good in theory but in reality teams will definitely be asking for the pick in 2025/2026 because it's a certainty rather than projection.
 
infection said:
You’re not actually trading a pick, though. You’re trading a contingency. And that contingency is predicated on not violating Stepien rule.
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i see...... have you actually seen it done though? don't really see any application to this "contingency" trade.
 
jom2003 said:
then if we don't convey until 2023 then 2023/2024picks will be clearly off the table. look, it sounds good in theory but in reality teams will definitely be asking for the pick in 2025/2026 because it's a certainty rather than projection.
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They can call it whatever year they want. We traded memphis a 2021 first but with protections it might not convey until 2024.

You simply trade a first that conveys 2 years after your obligation to Memphis has been met. It can be valued however the acquirer values it but it is likely a 2024 first.

There are limits to how far forward you can trade picks so whatever protections you put on that pick it would either expire or convert into 2 seconds by 2027.
 
I’d like to address the casual, non-member reader of Jazzfanz Community:

Probably best not to go by jommy’s takes on things.

Cheers.
 
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