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Do the core 4 have the talent to win a championship.

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 43.9%

  • No

    Votes: 23 56.1%
  • Total voters
    41
Stockton is the only player taken 16 in the draft to become a Hall of Famer.
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Well, it's a good thing that not a single player in our core 4(5) were drafted later than 12, isn't it? The point is that we don't know what our guys can do, so there's no evidence to suggest that they can't win the championship. The only concrete thing we have is draft position, and they were all lottery picks. Which is more than our Stock/Malone/Horacek/Russell team can say.

We don't need to tank, we already have four top ten picks on our team in our core group. This year is about development, not tanking. (AKA; it's good to win...not bad).
 
hindsight will be 20/20 with the C4 AFTER this year. it is to early to tell what this team is going to do until we see what they can do. questions I have that I want to see answered this year...

Burke -
can he run the jazz offense like he did at Michigan?
is he mature enough to grow in Utah?

burks -
can he play within a system?
can he knock down open jumpers consistently?
how will his defense be?

hayward -
can he be the leader of this team?
can he hit 3s consistently?

favors -
can he show the fire for the game?
how is his offense growing?
can he hit a 15' consistently to keep defenses honest?

kanter -
how is he going to come back from the injury?
how is the athletism?
 
cctrackstar said:
Russell? Really? Burks can easily surpass Russell, Russell was barely a rotation player, and was every bit a coattail player. Hornacek, love him like we do, wasn't nearly as athletic as Hayward, so if Hayward can just polish off his shot a bit he'll surpass him. Malone says that Favors is more talented than he is, and you know Malone, he just says whatever comes into his head, he has no filter. We don't know on Burke yet, but he was drafted earlier than Stockton (since that seems to matter to the tank enthusiasts) As for Kanter, who knows? There's nothing holding him back though, does anyone really believe that he is injury prone?

Draft position: Malone 13, Stockton 16, Jeff Hornacek 46 (46!) Russell 45 (not surprised on that one)

Draft Positoin: Favors 3 Kanter 3 Hayward 9 Burks 12

In order to get the quality players that came so close to the NBA championship, the team needs to win a lot of games and draft between the mid first and the second round, because that's where their 'superstars' came from.

Down with the tank.
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I don't think Kanter is injury prone, so if you got that from my post of worst case scenarios, that's what it was, worst case scenarios.

Kanter looks really skilled to me and he seems like a fighter. Add to that his size and I really, really like Kanter. Favors I'm more worried about. I want to see some things this year that we haven't seen yet. If those things aren't there then all I can say is I hope his price doesn't go too high because I love his defense.

Yeah, I think Russell was just an average player at best. He worked with Stockton, Malone and Hornacek well and benefitted from Sloan's offence, so he looked a lot better than he was. Stockton and Malone were so dominant at that point, it opened things up for everyone else. All we needed were guys that kept the other team honest on defense, then hit them when they were open.
 
cctrackstar said:
Well, it's a good thing that not a single player in our core 4(5) were drafted later than 12, isn't it? The point is that we don't know what our guys can do, so there's no evidence to suggest that they can't win the championship. The only concrete thing we have is draft position, and they were all lottery picks. Which is more than our Stock/Malone/Horacek/Russell team can say.

We don't need to tank, we already have four top ten picks on our team in our core group. This year is about development, not tanking. (AKA; it's good to win...not bad).
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Forget where C4 were drafted. They are not rooks we have seen them play. Can they get better of course they can. There is no evidence that they can win the championship. Good or bad we will not win more than 35. I would say probably closer to 25. It's ok to have a year or two and rebuild in the draft. The way I see it Utah has a head start in rebuilding with our player assets, but we are not even close to done.
 
heyhey said:
Forget where C4 were drafted. They are not rooks we have seen them play. Can they get better of course they can. There is no evidence that they can win the championship. Good or bad we will not win more than 35. I would say probably closer to 25. It's ok to have a year or two and rebuild in the draft. The way I see it Utah has a head start in rebuilding with our player assets, but we are not even close to done.
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Why are you even arguing that those 4 can't win a championship? Makes no sense.
 
^Meaning, they will be 4 of 10 guys ... who are the other 6?? Fast forward the tape and see who we pick up in the draft and FA... then we can make a much better guess as to whether that TEAM is chip caliber.
 
For real though, no one thinks the C4 can win a championship NEXT YEAR and pretty much everyone thinks there needs to be either another big piece or several smaller pieces to even put us in range.

As far as predicting the record, that's fun and all but we really have no idea how things are going to go. Maybe the chemistry is there and they all figure it out pretty fast or maybe there are problems in the locker room we don't know about and there's going to be a lot of me-first play. Or, what everyone is pretty much expecting, we'll be hurt by the team's youth and inexperience as well as a horrible bench.

Next year is not a year of expectations for me, it's a year of discovery.
 
PKM said:
Why are you even arguing that those 4 can't win a championship? Makes no sense.
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The poll says 13 to 10 say they can.
I agree with below
fishonjazz said:
Seriously though, I believe they still need an alpha dog wing scorer (unless burks can become that) added to the core..... Which is why the tank is so crucial.

We can either draft that player (wiggins) or if we draft Harrison or randle we can then go after the player we need in free agency (unlikely for a star to choose Utah, but possible) or trade some of our core + picks or whatever to get our star.

No matter how I look at it, we should be getting our alpha dog star player next year whether through draft, free agency, or trade.
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From what I can tell there is going to be alot of people bitching on here next season because they have insane expectations for the jazz.
 
Gameface said:
...and pretty much everyone thinks there needs to be either another big piece or several smaller pieces to even put us in range.
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There lies the difference I think many believe that several small pieces will do it,I don't. We need a big one. I like all these guys but I don't think you will build a championship team around them without that one last piece. Without it Jazz go back to mediocrity.
 
heyhey said:
The poll says 13 to 10 say they can.
I agree with below


From what I can tell there is going to be alot of people bitching on here next season because they have insane expectations for the jazz.
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who are these people? you make general statements with no proof. I don't get that feeling reading the board.
 
heyhey said:
The core 4 do not have the talent to win an NBA title, period. The Jazz will not get a Lebron James in free agency. If we want to win a title it will be after we draft an All NBA stud.
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I don't trust anyone that drops a "period" at the end of their sentence.
 
heyhey said:
There lies the difference I think many believe that several small pieces will do it,I don't. We need a big one. I like all these guys but I don't think you will build a championship team around them without that one last piece. Without it Jazz go back to mediocrity.
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You might very well be right and there's nothing concrete to indicate otherwise. I'm a pretty big homer, though, so I have some hope we'll see one of these guys turn into that piece.
 
heyhey said:
There lies the difference I think many believe that several small pieces will do it,I don't. We need a big one. I like all these guys but I don't think you will build a championship team around them without that one last piece. Without it Jazz go back to mediocrity.
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I don't disagree with this.. but we have two picks in a killer draft and $30MM to spend in a very good FA. I'm assuming Dennis Swingbig will get it right.
 
this city.this state,this team needs a title.

I don't care if we have to "rehab Biedrins career" and give him 20+ min a game to get it.
love da TANK
 
With or without a stud from the 2014 draft class I feel good about the pieces already in place and wouldn't mind seeing a run with just what we got. However, I would like to add another high lottery talent piece from this class because it can't hurt. Kind of an insurance policy. Because we aren't winning a championship this year for sure. It will be down the road if it happens. So I really don't see why its such a big deal to some people that we tank a year. Its a perfect setup.
 
PKM said:
I don't disagree with this.. but we have two picks in a killer draft and $30MM to spend in a very good FA. I'm assuming Dennis Swingbig will get it right.
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This! Big time

We are set up so good right now to get everything we need next summer and DL track record says he will make the right decisions
 
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