Reasons to Keep Matthews

[write4u]

Where does BillyShelby get his poor athleticism idea from? Do you watch the games? Matthews is one of the fastest players in the open court in the league. The guy is faster than a lot of point guards and has a very quick first step.

 

[craig2112]

I can only trust the Jazz on this to make the right decision. If they match, then they must be convinced that he's worth it

All the stats that people are bringing up are just pointless. If you want to sit here and tell me that Wes should be compared to Wade, Kobe or anyone like that, just because he shot 48%

Well, guess what, Brewer shot over 50% most of the time.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I can only trust the Jazz on this to make the right decision. If they match, then they must be convinced that he's worth it

All the stats that people are bringing up are just pointless. If you want to sit here and tell me that Wes should be compared to Wade, Kobe or anyone like that, just because he shot 48%

Well, guess what, Brewer shot over 50% most of the time.

Brewer also sucked from the line and couldn't even surpass the Mendoza line from three.

 

[craig2112]

Brewer also sucked from the line and couldn't even surpass the Mendoza line from three.

Exactly my point. Comparing one or two stats of a player like Mathews to players like Wade, Lebron, or Kobe is just pointless.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Exactly my point. Comparing one or two stats of a player like Mathews to players like Wade, Lebron, or Kobe is just pointless.

What do you suggest we base our decision on then?

 

[InGameStrategy]

Or to play devil's advocate:
After 8 years, especially after a player reaches his 30's, production generally declines. So Salmons may already be at/very near his peak (he's already 31 yrs. old). On the other hand, Matthews is only 24. And his per game statistics, especially pts/per are misleading. Look at FG%, not points. Give him more shots (he had less than 7/per) and he potentially doubles his scoring average, especially since the offense will be more diverse with Carlos gone. If I'm going to "overpay," I'd much rather take a risk on a player who is likely on an upswing, rather than a player who is likely at the top and could significantly decline.

I agree that having 1 year of data is a gamble. But you also have to look at the character of Matthews. I think it is very unlikely he quits working on his game once he signs the big contract, a la AK47. More likely he continues to work hard. That just seems to be his basic nature. And you can't teach that. It's what makes average players, good and good players, great.

This is why it was better to sign Matthews to two years minimum out of college; one year isn't a lot of data. I think that Dee Brown would've been just fine as a backup PG if Utah had held onto him for another year--and it would've made Deron happy too (not that DW's feelings are the end all).

In the case of Matthews, he is the son of an NBA player (just like Brewer), which is an indicator that he would be a character guy. It seems to me that they could've taken that leap of faith to sign him for two years from the get-go. He's a lower risk than C.J. was. C.J. took three or four years to come into his own anyway, partly b/c of maturity. As a Junior entering the NBA, Matthews was less like to have the same maturity issues. And he didn't. If Utah can land one of these other "subsititutes" for significantly less money, fine. But I

What pisses me off about the Portland thing is that it's smells of rich man's bullying. Most teams wouldn't blow the MLE (with a loaded contract) on a player who will likely be a backup. The theory that they are overpaying Matthews for CP3 (mentioned elsewhere) seems a bit farfetched.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

This is why it was better to sign Matthews to two years minimum out of college; one year isn't a lot of data. I think that Dee Brown would've been just fine as a backup PG if Utah had held onto him for another year--and it would've made Deron happy too (not that DW's feelings are the end all).

In the case of Matthews, he is the son of an NBA player (just like Brewer), which is an indicator that he would be a character guy. It seems to me that they could've taken that leap of faith to sign him for two years from the get-go. He's a lower risk than C.J. was. C.J. took three or four years to come into his own anyway, partly b/c of maturity. As a Junior entering the NBA, Matthews was less like to have the same maturity issues. And he didn't. If Utah can land one of these other "subsititutes" for significantly less money, fine. But I

What pisses me off about the Portland thing is that it's smells of rich man's bullying. Most teams wouldn't blow the MLE (with a loaded contract) on a player who will likely be a backup. The theory that they are overpaying Matthews for CP3 (mentioned elsewhere) seems a bit farfetched.

Heads up. You have an error at the end of the second to last paragraph.

 

[write4u]

Furthermore, on athleticism, it seems people only base it on a guy's vertical. Foot speed and strength also need to be factored in, and Matthews is extremely strong, as you might notice from how he finishes inside.

 

[Shad]

Let him go.

We can't continue to sign players for outrageous prices to keep the team mediocre

 

[mfree]

Quoting from the SLTrib:

Although his contract is frontloaded, Matthews would only count $5.765 million in luxury-tax calculations. Should they re-sign him, the Jazz would have $64.8 million committed to nine players for this season. The tax threshold is $70.307 million.

Since the contract only counts the mid-level against the cap, I think the chances of the Jazz matching go way up.

I was thinking it counted $9.2m, making it nearly impossible to add another player. With this information, i think the Jazz will match.

 

[Gameface]

Quoting from the SLTrib:

Although his contract is frontloaded, Matthews would only count $5.765 million in luxury-tax calculations. Should they re-sign him, the Jazz would have $64.8 million committed to nine players for this season. The tax threshold is $70.307 million.

Since the contract only counts the mid-level against the cap, I think the chances of the Jazz matching go way up.

I was thinking it counted $9.2m, making it nearly impossible to add another player. With this information, i think the Jazz will match.

I like Matthews a lot, but I'm looking for the Jazz to let him walk as a sign that we'll let other teams overpay our players if they want without matching. I wish Matthews the best and hope that Portland enjoys his services for what they're paying him. They aren't paying him what he's worth, they're playing us. They think that now that Korver left we're stuck and will feel obligated to match. We shouldn't. Anytime they want to overpay one of our players I say we let them have him. Once they have 2-4 of our players making way more than they should producing mediocure results they'll probably stop messing with us.

 

[Shaggy]

I have hard time believing the only reason they want matthews is to screw the Jazz over, sorry. They obviously like Matthews and aren't concerned about money with Paul Allen as owner. If the offer pisses off the Jazz I would assume that's just icing on the cake for Portland.