Reasons you left the LDS church.

[TroutBum]

I was just trying to say that Jesus isn't necessary to live a life about more than getting yours. I think it should be obvious why someone who isn't religious might have a problem with your statement. I find it sad that you can't find joy/wonder/reason to be decent without the church. I find it sad that you require the promise of a heavenly reward to feel good about your life.

Just for funsies, let's re-word your post and see if you can spot the hypocrisy:

I was just trying to say that Marijuana isn't necessary to live a life about more than getting high. I think it should be obvious why someone who isn't a pot head might have a problem with your statement. I find it sad that you can't find joy/wonder/reason to be decent without the weed. I find it sad that you require the promise of an out of your mind experience to feel good about your life.

Doesn't that sound exactly like something Conan would say? I know for a fact that people who talk about weed like that piss you off, so why is it ok for you to talk about people's religious beliefs that way? Who gives a flying **** about what Spazz believes or why he does? Why should something that gives him joy piss you off so bad? Because you didn't get the same joy he is getting? That, for some reason, makes him less of a person or inferior to you and your beliefs? Rubbish.

Because they know what it's like to be both Mormon and non-Mormon.

I know what it's like to be both Mormon and non-Mormon, and I agree with Spazz 100%. Thomas, I love you and you know this, but dude -- you've got anger issues with the LDS church, and you're not using that mighty brain of yours when you're arguing about it here. (that is, I know you're one of the smartest people I've ever met, but you deteriorate into blathering Conan-speech when this topic comes up. Not like you at all.)

Anyway, back to the shadows. Carry on.

 

[Siro]

Just for funsies, let's re-word your post and see if you can spot the hypocrisy:


Doesn't that sound exactly like something Conan would say? I know for a fact that people who talk about weed like that piss you off, so why is it ok for you to talk about people's religious beliefs that way? Who gives a flying **** about what Spazz believes or why he does? Why should something that gives him joy piss you off so bad? Because you didn't get the same joy he is getting? That, for some reason, makes him less of a person or inferior to you and your beliefs? Rubbish.


Anyway, back to the shadows. Carry on.

Blah blah blah. "We're going to use everything we can to steer society in a way compatible with our faith, but I'd appreciate it if you don't question the validity of that faith because it makes us sad."

 

[bigb]

How can a person so stupid act like such a smart @#!*% ?

What a tool.

Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot.

 

[bigb]

I ask this in all seriousness, not why people leave but why they join? Has anyone here joined despite not being raised in some way LDS or getting married to someone who is? But I digress, why join? I'm curious if anyone here could sell me on why I should join? Not that I'm seriously considering it. I'm just curious what the selling points really are.

I'm probably not the one you would want to answer this because I was born and raised LDS. But I spent most of my high school years really questioning the church and its teachings. Personally, the idea that I can spend eternity with my wife and kids is extremely appealing. I believe in a God who wants his children to be as happy as possible. I am happiest when I am enjoying my life with my family. Why should that have to stop at death?

 

[GVC]

Just for funsies, let's re-word your post and see if you can spot the hypocrisy:

I have no problem with someone saying you need not get high to live a happy life. Where's the hypocrisy? I qualified my initial response to jazzspazz, making a point to say that if he weren't making a general statement, I had no problem with it (while also taking a dig at him). Just because you can't read, doesn't mean I've said something hypocritical.

Doesn't that sound exactly like something Conan would say? I know for a fact that people who talk about weed like that piss you off, so why is it ok for you to talk about people's religious beliefs that way? Who gives a flying **** about what Spazz believes or why he does? Why should something that gives him joy piss you off so bad? Because you didn't get the same joy he is getting? That, for some reason, makes him less of a person or inferior to you and your beliefs? Rubbish.

I don't care about what he believes, I care about ignorant blanket statements he makes that seem to imply something about me. Where did I say he was less of a person? You're reaching, big time (not unlike a certain Conan you've alluded to).

I know what it's like to be both Mormon and non-Mormon, and I agree with Spazz 100%.

Ok. What's your point? You seem to have missed mine.

Thomas, I love you and you know this, but dude -- you've got anger issues with the LDS church, and you're not using that mighty brain of yours when you're arguing about it here. (that is, I know you're one of the smartest people I've ever met, but you deteriorate into blathering Conan-speech when this topic comes up. Not like you at all.)

I think both you and JazzSpazz are just so defensive about your beliefs, you failed to actually read what I wrote. Like anyone, I have plenty of anger, but very little (if any) of it is directed at the church. Some of it is directed at people who make ignorant statements that seem to imply that anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus is a hopeless hedonistic *** hole. I don't think anger is a terribly inappropriate reaction (albeit not the best reaction) to statements like that.

In the future, read my post. Before reacting to it, pause for a second and think about it. I know that's hard for you. Then go ahead and respond.

Thank you.

 

[Scat]

In the future, read my post. Before reacting to it, pause for a second and think about it. I know that's hard for you. Then go ahead and respond.

Thank you.

Perhaps it's not how others are reading your posts but rather how you are writing them? You do come across as quite angry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtzIWPeun7c

 

[Surely]

These are exactly the kinds of things I was talking about when I stated that I felt a lot of the rules are man-made. A lot are products of the culture. Some are from God, but shaped into whatever the agenda calls for.

The Word of Wisdom actually states that it is not sent by commandment or constraint. And, that all meat (the flesh of beasts and fowl) is to be used sparingly, in times of cold and famine (meaning, I assume, when vegetation is unavailable.) So I've always kinda wondered why church members are balls-out about certain parts of the WoW, and luke warm (or completely apathetic) on others.

I am reading a book called "The China Study" and it directly links eating protein (animal protein that is) to higher cases of heart disease and other health problems. Not that I'm going vegan anytime soon, but definitely makes me think about moderation in what I eat. Also interesting is what eating meat does to the blood (hence the "in times of cold"). Take the diet of an Eskimo vs the diet of someone living in a desert. If you put the guy in the desert on the Eskimo diet he wouldn't last long, and vice versa. Sorry to get off topic but diet and the Word of Wisdom are an interesting topic. Carry on.

 

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No I mean in regards to being ok with how others believe. A better way might be to say I can't understand how someone who is religious says "To each their own". Like you have found salvation in a religion and someone else found it in theirs and you are ok with that.

Sopme people see particular religions as entities whose truth can be evaluated, some see them as paths on a journey. If you are in the latter group, it's purfectly understandable to think not everyone has to use the same path.

 

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I think that's another key to this whole debate. Often times your "faith" isn't really anything until it has been tried. Perhaps people who aren't normally interested in religion, become so after a tough/life threatening experience.

There are also the religious people who become atheists after a tough/life threatening experience.

 

[Scat]

What cracks me up is those that join a religion and then complain about certain aspects and try to change the religion.

 

[Agoxlea]

I am reading a book called "The China Study" and it directly links eating protein (animal protein that is) to higher cases of heart disease and other health problems. Not that I'm going vegan anytime soon, but definitely makes me think about moderation in what I eat. Also interesting is what eating meat does to the blood (hence the "in times of cold"). Take the diet of an Eskimo vs the diet of someone living in a desert. If you put the guy in the desert on the Eskimo diet he wouldn't last long, and vice versa. Sorry to get off topic but diet and the Word of Wisdom are an interesting topic. Carry on.

Being vegan actually isn't so bad. You are almost forced to eat healthy which gives you tons of energy.

 

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Being vegan actually isn't so bad. You are almost forced to eat healthy which gives you tons of energy.

Tortilla chips are vegan. Frying vegetables in palm oil is vegan. etc. I'm sure many vegans do eat healithly, because the sort of people who choose that diet to begin with are often concerned with health. It's not a requirment.