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Rebuild vs status quo

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I am of the opinion that the Jazz should go into full rebuild mode instead of trying to win now. Here's why. Al Jefferson, Raja Bell, CJ miles, Memo Okur, Devin Harris, and to some extent Paul Millsap aren't the players that are going to lead us to a championship. They are good players and could be a playoff team. But they are not going to beat any of the top teams. Maybe if our Four Young Core (Hayward, Burks, Favors, Kanter) were a little older and they were playing together. Then we would be probably pretty darn good. But I don't think any of those young guys are going to be championship ready this year or even next. I do believe Favors is going to be a beast. But it's going to take some more time. Hayward and Burks definitely have the potential to be very good too. Kanter is still a maybe for me. His athleticism is a question mark.

So what this all adds up to is. If we go for it now, we are going to be just somewhere in the middle of mediocrity hell. Good enough for the eight seed, not good enough for the lottery. I hate that place. The only way we ever win a championship is we have to get a collection of Stars to compete with the "Superteams". And the only way we do that is we have to draft them. We know they aren't coming here free agency! So what I am suggesting. We take any trade offered for the players mentioned above as so long as it involves next year’s unprotected lottery picks from crappy teams.

Here's why. Next year’s draft is loaded. Or so it seems. So by trading away some of those guys mentioned above, we will be a lottery team. So we will have our pick, GS's pick, and maybe one or two more. This could turn out to be 3-4 top ten picks next year. We want these because of the major Bird rights that come with getting those players. You are guaranteed to have them for many years depending on their deal. That's creates an environment like OKC where the players don't feel they need to leave for greener pastures because they are surrounded by talent. And they know they have a legitimate chance at a championship. And with all those top ten picks over the years it is very likely that we will have at least 2 or more superstars that will grow together and want to play together.

Also I have to point out that if best case scenario happened, we end up with 5 or 6 Superstars. Then we would be a juggernaut for a decade. This will be a key moment in Jazz history what we do here. We can be stuck in the middle forever or finally be a Championship team. The Stars could be aligning here for us folks. Let's hope Jazz Brass make the right decision here. And if the plan fails then well it's better to be in the lottery for a few years with the chance of landing the next transcendent player. Rather than never getting the chance to get the Guy! We will never win a championship without one. That's just the way the NBA works.
 
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Actually, trading D Will started the rebuild mode. Standing pat now is a part of the rebuilding process (better draft picks next year). So imo they are rebuilding as we speak.
 
You throw around the word "superstar" like every draft has a handful of them. In the entire NBA there are about 10 or so true "superstars". If the Jazz can land 2 between what we have now and the next few drafts, we would be very fortunate.

I agree with the total rebuild idea. I would rather see quality minutes to young players rather than played who have been in the league 5+ years. I hope we have a superstar on the team already (Favors), but be caeful asking for 5 or 6 "superstars".
 
Forgive me, but this is stupid! I didn't bother to read anyone's posts in this stupid thread. I'm not trying to be a troll or aggravate anyone. I strongly believe winning breeds winning, you can quot me on that!

In my eyes losing is never acceptable under any circumstances. I believe as coach or owner you put your team and players in position to succeed. I don't care if the next Jordan Shaq or Malone is in the upcoming draft.

Rebuild is a word losers use as an excuse, it's a word losers use to make them feel better. I guess I'm old school. I hear lots of people say "give the youg guys the playing time". "They need time on the court to get better" That in my mind is false. If they are ready they will get the minutes. If they aren't ready let them sit learn patience and the game. Let them wait for there shot. Far to often some of these hotshot young upstarts want it all right now and find they can't handle the rigors of the pros, lose confidence and are never heard from again.

Those that are patient work and wait there turn learn the nuances of the game and winning intangibles, learn their roles that help the team win. Today everyone wants to be the star. Winning ball doesn't work like that. Rebuild is a word we use for teams that suck and don't know how to win.

I say we have the players in place to win now I think we have two future stars in Hayward, and Favors, we need to surround them with players that know their roles we dont need more stars we don't need to lose games to get more players! If we win players that can help the team win will want to play here. I'm not talking about the stars I'm talking about the better role players we need to build a cohesive unit to build winning. Both Favors and Hayward sat the bench and learned the game, and when there numbers were called they were prepared and played well. Because they were prepared when they got the chance there weren't any surprises. Now they will be ready to take the next step by doing the heavy lifting for this team.

I think Kanter has a bright future in the league. But giving him minutes this year will hurt the jazz, sorry Sepanol. He in my opinion should be behind Jefferson favors Millsap and even Okur (if healthy) and Evans. Burks our other lotto pick, I feel is a little more ready for minutes then Kanter. He should start behind Hayward, Harris, Miles, Watson, but ahead of Bell. The players we have now is enough to construct a team to contend for a championship we have one more lottery pick coming via the Warriors, let's hope the guys we have can learn together how to win. If that means Kanter starts his career with no minutes and Burks gets sporadic minutes like Hayward did last year then that's what it takes.

Remember it took 12 or 13 years of status quo before John and Karl were championship worthy. Even Jordan considered the greatest of all time lived with status quo for his first seven years before he learned what he needed to do to be championship caliber learning to win is a long process it isn't achieved by losing. Greatness and winning is achieved throu blood sweat and tears. There is no quick fixes. There is no shortcuts I even heard Stockton call it the greatest journey If we choose to rebuild it will be harder to teach and learn a winning attitude. Losing destroys a persons will, if no will that means no spirit no spirit no winning.

In response to the question rebuild or status quo I pick status quo! If we go into rebuild mode we will never reach the pinnacle of winning!

Sorry for the rant, but I feel very strong about the subject.
 
i agree completely with Thee jazz fan. If you aren't trying to win as much as possible, all the time, right now... you shouldn't be in the league.
 
orangello said:
Tell that to OKC about 3 years ago.
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Same could be said about Toronto, Charlotte, Clippers, Sacramento etc. The reason OKC made the big jump is because they drafted a Top 5 NBA player over the next decade, in Kevin Durant, not because they put "player development ahead of winning". Yes, all of our core needs serious amounts of playing time, but we simply cannot completely tank our season for the sake of offering more than enough minutes to them, in my opinion.
 
This argument again. Ugh. Utah has had very few high draft picks in the last 30 years. I think a lot of people around are getting a little draft pick happy because it's been such an unusual place for the franchise to be. 2K might have a little to do with it as well.

There is a tried and true cycle of suck in which teams continually draft lottery picks and jettison earlier ones that they failed to develop. There are also many examples of teams committing to a limited number of talented players and building around them. Utah right now has 4 lottery picks from the last two years. Some of you guys might think this is nuts but the Jazz are borderline having too many young players as it is. Now it is true that having this ridiculous number of high picks can be seen as a numbers game and the odds of getting a couple elite players out of the 6 in 3 years probably are good. But the other side of that is the players have to be developed and have to learn to play together within a system. In order for that to happen it is essential to have respectable veteran players that buy in.

I'm not saying that there is no possible move that would make the team better but I will definitely stand on the premise that failing to attempt to win will do more harm at this point than the good of one more high pick. It is also a fact that there isn't anybody on the team whose contract is an obstacle to extending any of the new young talent. If that was the case of course something would have to be done, but even then maybe not right away.

As far as playing time/development, Hayward has earned a starting spot already. Favors is probably very close to nailing down PF considering the quotes we are hearing from Sap. Kanter is very unlikely to be ready for a lot of responsibility but is also one unreliable/not very good Memo away from being the #2 center anyways. It has been my opinion for a while now that Kanter will benefit greatly from practicing with somebody who possesses footwork like Jefferson's.

Burks will have great competition with CJ and Bell to find his role and if he's anywhere near as good as advertised he should have no problem earning a role just like Hayward did. If he isn't then we need CJ and Bell to cover backup wing spots. Best case is we all argue over who starts at two spots between him, Hayward and Sap.

Finally, the coach has got to be given a chance to install his identity on the team and although this group has so much youth there are enough vets to give the team a chance to find that. IMO this is more important than making sure we protect our pick. I want to develop the guys we have but that doesn't mean abandoning the goal of rebuilding a winning culture within the organization and team.
 
Three Jazz Fan, have you by chance ever been kicked out of a little league sporting event?
 
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