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remember when our offense looked like this?

1. It's really easy to scheme a good offense when you have 2 hall of famers.
2. People mistake bad execution for bad offense. The Jazz are creating A ****TON of wide open shots this year... When they hit them we win, when we miss, we lose. Just for reference - Hayward and Lyles are 2/17 on open or wide open 3p shots in the last couple of games. The offense is not bad. It's average-ish... and it has been average-ish since Quin got on the Jazz.
 
stitches said:
1. It's really easy to scheme a good offense when you have 2 hall of famers.
2. People mistake bad execution for bad offense. The Jazz are creating A ****TON of wide open shots this year... When they hit them we win, when we miss, we lose. Just for reference - Hayward and Lyles are 2/17 on open or wide open 3p shots in the last couple of games. The offense is not bad. It's average-ish... and it has been average-ish since Quin got on the Jazz.
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just for reference, re: hall of famers making the offense great.
09-10 Jazz were 8th best offense, no hall of famers
08-09 were 8th best offense, no hall of famers
07-08 were THE BEST (#1) offense, no hall of famers
06-07 were 3rd best offense, no hall of famers
 
jope said:
just for reference, re: hall of famers making the offense great.
09-10 Jazz were 8th best offense, no hall of famers
08-09 were 8th best offense, no hall of famers
07-08 were THE BEST (#1) offense, no hall of famers
06-07 were 3rd best offense, no hall of famers
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Heh... Deron was legit monster at that time. We don't have anyone close to that level nowadays. Also Boozer was an awesome offensive player and a 2 time all-star at the time too... Don't take my posts as a dismissal of Sloan's impact. I just recognize that personnel plays big role in what offense you can run.
 
jope said:
just for reference, re: hall of famers making the offense great.
09-10 Jazz were 8th best offense, no hall of famers
08-09 were 8th best offense, no hall of famers
07-08 were THE BEST (#1) offense, no hall of famers
06-07 were 3rd best offense, no hall of famers
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Deron Williams was on his way to the HOF if he stayed healthy.
 
jope said:
yes, because everyone agrees that defense in the 90s was trash, and today's defense is great. A valid point is that all the off ball movement creates confusion in the defense, something that having 4 guys stagnate in our offense doesnt do. But really, the problem IMO is that our offense is not designed to get guys looks regardless of their talent level like Jerry's (think of how many role players' production suddenly disappeared after leaving sloans system). Our current offense relys on screen after screen for hill hayward or hood while they are reading and reacting, so if those guys are off, or the defense reacts correctly, then our offense grinds to a halt. Jerry's offense allowed role players to be involved and be real contributors, because they followed pre-designed routes, had all 5 invested in the play, and did so with maximum effort. Team mates knew where they'd be, and the TALENT + THE PLAY would generate points, not just the playmaking ability of one or two guys.
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You're describing Jerry's offense. He didn't flex the entire game, far from it. That offense was as grinding and stagnant as any at times, and also relied on a ton of side pnr. The difference was he had a weapon named Karl Malone and an assassin named John Stockton that took pressure off the rest and creating defensive hedging for each other.
 
franklin said:
You're describing Jerry's offense. He didn't flex the entire game, far from it. That offense was as grinding and stagnant as any at times, and also relied on a ton of side pnr. The difference was he had a weapon named Karl Malone and an assassin named John Stockton that took pressure off the rest and creating defensive hedging for each other.
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jerry's system, as grinding and stagnant as you remember it, produced an above league average oRtg a whopping 20 times in his 23 seasons.
 
franklin said:
You're describing Jerry's offense. He didn't flex the entire game, far from it. That offense was as grinding and stagnant as any at times, and also relied on a ton of side pnr. The difference was he had a weapon named Karl Malone and an assassin named John Stockton that took pressure off the rest and creating defensive hedging for each other.
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Quin's offense has produced 3 of the 6 worst relative oRtgs in Jazz History.
 
stitches said:
The Jazz are creating A ****TON of wide open shots this year...
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People keep saying this, but are ill-informed. I finally found the metrics measuring this via stats.nba.com .. Jazz take the 4th most "very-tight" contested shots in the league, and take the 7th fewest "wide open" shots in the league. hardly a ****TON
 
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