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Remembering what Exum did for the Jazz and why management stands so firmly behind him

green said:
Kind of like you and your "if we were healthy..."

Oh, wait, that's YOUR what if.
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And suddenly the Jazz are healthy going into this season.

Mine doesn't rely on changing something several years ago and then acting like everything after that would be the same.

Maybe KLove will save the Jazz lol
 
#bern said:
If you could somehow make Exum's offense as good as his defense, and his defense as bad as his offense, people here would think he's on his way to stardom. Why? Because points are sexy and people are stupid. That's why.
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I see. So horrible offense and great defense = stardom. Good to know.

Me personally, I would like him to continue to play great defense and improve a ton offensively on his way to stardom.
 
#bern said:
If you could somehow make Exum's offense as good as his defense, and his defense as bad as his offense, people here would think he's on his way to stardom. Why? Because points are sexy and people are stupid. That's why.
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Give some examples of players with these attributes you speak of. (Horrendous defense and elite offense)
Then we can see if you are right.
I will start. Kanter. Nope, don't think he is on his way to stardom.
 
fishonjazz said:
I see. So horrible offense and great defense = stardom. Good to know.

Me personally, I would like him to continue to play great defense and improve a ton offensively on his way to stardom.
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That's not what I said...and you know it. Don't try to make stuff up.
 
fishonjazz said:
Give some examples of players with these attributes you speak of. (Horrendous defense and elite offense)
Then we can see if you are right.
I will start. Kanter. Nope, don't think he is on his way to stardom.
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Well, in order for proper context, they should be rookies. We want similar situations, right?

Devin Booker would be a decent example. People are pretty high on him. Kyrie Irving as a rookie.

All I'm saying is that Exum was above average on defense, below average on offense as a rookie. If those two were switched, people would be more excited about his future because scoring points is sexier than stopping points (not to mention more obvious).
 
#bern said:
Well, in order for proper context, they should be rookies. We want similar situations, right?

Devin Booker would be a decent example. People are pretty high on him. Kyrie Irving as a rookie.

All I'm saying is that Exum was above average on defense, below average on offense as a rookie. If those two were switched, people would be more excited about his future because scoring points is sexier than stopping points (not to mention more obvious).
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True. I would rather exums rookie year was more similar to bookers (17.9 ppg per 36) or kyrie (21.8 ppg and 6.4 assists per 36) even though exum may have been more effective due to his defense.

Good point.
 
Honestly what gives me hope about Exum was his SL game. Yeah, a SL game. Why? Cause he was going up against Marcus Smart and Terry Rozier. Smart last year was a very, very good defend. Rozier sucks, but he is at least a good defender. Dante toasted em. He got past Smart easily...something not many guys did well last year. If he can come back mentally and physically, we're going to be really good.
 
fishonjazz said:
True. I would rather exums rookie year was more similar to bookers (17.9 ppg per 36) or kyrie (21.8 ppg and 6.4 assists per 36) even though exum may have been more effective due to his defense.

Good point.
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Did Booker learn good habits ? Did he learn good team defensive principles. Was he good at moving the ball ?
 
I was at one of the Jazz versus Suns games this year, and, to me, it looked like Booker didn't understand team defense. The games I saw on TV didn't change my mind. He's got a long way to go on that end, IMO.
 
DownUnder said:
Did Booker learn good habits ? Did he learn good team defensive principles. Was he good at moving the ball ?
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I don't know the answer to those questions. I didn't watch him enough to know.
 
Dante's low steals, blocks, DRTG, VORP, assist rate, shooting percentages, 62% from the line that he rarely gets to, inability to hit the broad side of the barn with a hand full of wheat, timidness, and lack of athleticism have me stoked for next season. I can't tell you how excited I am to watch another year of a botched rebuild based on the dumb *** sales job that Exum-Gobert-Favors are defensive stalwarts and we can ride that train to a 4th seed.

BULL ****.

BULL ****.

BULL ****.

BULL ****.
 
zyzz said:
I stumbled upon Exum's pre-draft thread on RealGM and someone posted this.



Kind of eerie :/. Hopefully since the Olympics are coming up we will get some kind of update on how he is progressing since being cleared for contact.
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yeah bit of a worry. I've heard he's been doing a lot of work on taking off and landing with good form to protect his knees.

Who's this Chris Mannix dude. I havent' heard even a hint of things going sloer than thought, that doesn't make much sense if he's already talking about the Olympics. December is 6 months away, that just seems far fetched
 
franklin said:
Dante's low steals, blocks, DRTG, VORP, assist rate, shooting percentages, 62% from the line that he rarely gets to, inability to hit the broad side of the barn with a hand full of wheat, timidness, and lack of athleticism have me stoked for next season. I can't tell you how excited I am to watch another year of a botched rebuild based on the dumb *** sales job that Exum-Gobert-Favors are defensive stalwarts and we can ride that train to a 4th seed.

BULL ****.

BULL ****.

BULL ****.

BULL ****.
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don't denigrate your own posts ... even though thats what they deserve
 
zyzz said:
I stumbled upon Exum's pre-draft thread on RealGM and someone posted this.



Kind of eerie :/. Hopefully since the Olympics are coming up we will get some kind of update on how he is progressing since being cleared for contact.
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yeah bit of a worry. I've heard he's been doing a lot of work on taking off and landing with good form to protect his knees.

Who's this Chris Mannix dude. I havent' heard even a hint of things going sloer than thought, that doesn't make much sense if he's already talking about the Olympics. December is 6 months away, that just seems far fetched
 
#bern said:
Well, in order for proper context, they should be rookies. We want similar situations, right?

Devin Booker would be a decent example. People are pretty high on him. Kyrie Irving as a rookie.

All I'm saying is that Exum was above average on defense, below average on offense as a rookie. If those two were switched, people would be more excited about his future because scoring points is sexier than stopping points (not to mention more obvious).
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Harden, Lillard, Booker, Lowry? maybe not horrendous, IT4
 
#bern said:
Honestly what gives me hope about Exum was his SL game. Yeah, a SL game. Why? Cause he was going up against Marcus Smart and Terry Rozier. Smart last year was a very, very good defend. Rozier sucks, but he is at least a good defender. Dante toasted em. He got past Smart easily...something not many guys did well last year. If he can come back mentally and physically, we're going to be really good.
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Hellz ****in yeah.
 
Star potential is smth that xplodes. I believe if his knees are ok he will show great things this season. I always saw the light there no matter how terrible his performance showed on the stats. Here is my prophecy; he is gonna be a scary 3 point shooter and passer in time.
 
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