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Remembering what Exum did for the Jazz and why management stands so firmly behind him

zyzz said:
I stumbled upon Exum's pre-draft thread on RealGM and someone posted this.



Kind of eerie :/. Hopefully since the Olympics are coming up we will get some kind of update on how he is progressing since being cleared for contact.
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Chris Mannix said that Exum was coming along a lot slower than expected. He said he was told best case is limited minutes until December.
 
Playing Rudy and Exum on offense is like playing 3 on 5. In today's NBA, you can't have 40 percent of your starting lineup be complete 0s offensively.

Sounds logical, but the results say otherwise. The Jazz were dominant with this lineup after the allstar break in 2015.
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This is the ignorance,some fans would take LESS winning for more offense.The jazz were so enamored with the Gobert/Favors/Exum led defense they completely bought into winning by defense 1st mentality.Which works.
Why are fans here so down on this young core where everyone of these young guys hasn't even come close to being what they can be offensively ? Fans here have already decided that a kid good enough to crack the lineup at 19 and make a big difference defensively is going to struggle offensively.So Exum can go mano y mano against the great PG's defensively but won't be able to do it offensively ?I think the opposite ,if he can do it defensively than it won't take long before he's doing it offensively also.Management seems to think so and I believe them with Exum.
Winning backs this up!!
 
If you could somehow make Exum's offense as good as his defense, and his defense as bad as his offense, people here would think he's on his way to stardom. Why? Because points are sexy and people are stupid. That's why.
 
tleikheen said:
This is the ignorance,some fans would take LESS winning for more offense.The jazz were so enamored with the Gobert/Favors/Exum led defense they completely bought into winning by defense 1st mentality.Which works.
Why are fans here so down on this young core where everyone of these young guys hasn't even come close to being what they can be offensively ? Fans here have already decided that a kid good enough to crack the lineup at 19 and make a big difference defensively is going to struggle offensively.So Exum can go mano y mano against the great PG's defensively but won't be able to do it offensively ?I think the opposite ,if he can do it defensively than it won't take long before he's doing it offensively also.Management seems to think so and I believe them with Exum.
Winning backs this up!!
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If we had hired Horny, we could have had both.
 
green said:
Kind of like you and your "if we were healthy..."

Oh, wait, that's YOUR what if.
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And suddenly the Jazz are healthy going into this season.

Mine doesn't rely on changing something several years ago and then acting like everything after that would be the same.

Maybe KLove will save the Jazz lol
 
#bern said:
If you could somehow make Exum's offense as good as his defense, and his defense as bad as his offense, people here would think he's on his way to stardom. Why? Because points are sexy and people are stupid. That's why.
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I see. So horrible offense and great defense = stardom. Good to know.

Me personally, I would like him to continue to play great defense and improve a ton offensively on his way to stardom.
 
#bern said:
If you could somehow make Exum's offense as good as his defense, and his defense as bad as his offense, people here would think he's on his way to stardom. Why? Because points are sexy and people are stupid. That's why.
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Give some examples of players with these attributes you speak of. (Horrendous defense and elite offense)
Then we can see if you are right.
I will start. Kanter. Nope, don't think he is on his way to stardom.
 
fishonjazz said:
I see. So horrible offense and great defense = stardom. Good to know.

Me personally, I would like him to continue to play great defense and improve a ton offensively on his way to stardom.
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That's not what I said...and you know it. Don't try to make stuff up.
 
fishonjazz said:
Give some examples of players with these attributes you speak of. (Horrendous defense and elite offense)
Then we can see if you are right.
I will start. Kanter. Nope, don't think he is on his way to stardom.
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Well, in order for proper context, they should be rookies. We want similar situations, right?

Devin Booker would be a decent example. People are pretty high on him. Kyrie Irving as a rookie.

All I'm saying is that Exum was above average on defense, below average on offense as a rookie. If those two were switched, people would be more excited about his future because scoring points is sexier than stopping points (not to mention more obvious).
 
#bern said:
Well, in order for proper context, they should be rookies. We want similar situations, right?

Devin Booker would be a decent example. People are pretty high on him. Kyrie Irving as a rookie.

All I'm saying is that Exum was above average on defense, below average on offense as a rookie. If those two were switched, people would be more excited about his future because scoring points is sexier than stopping points (not to mention more obvious).
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True. I would rather exums rookie year was more similar to bookers (17.9 ppg per 36) or kyrie (21.8 ppg and 6.4 assists per 36) even though exum may have been more effective due to his defense.

Good point.
 
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