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[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't know how Oneale is anything but an A.

The guy is an undrafted 2nd year player who is our best perimeter defender and now one of our best open 3 shooters. Sorry you idiots thought he was going to transform his game into being a scoring gorward 1 off-season because he had two good scoring games in a playoff series.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And lest we forget: Ingles wasn't as good as Royce in their respective 2nd seasons. **** takes time.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't know how Oneale is anything but an A.

The guy is an undrafted 2nd year player who is our best perimeter defender and now one of our best open 3 shooters. Sorry you idiots thought he was going to transform his game into being a scoring gorward 1 off-season because he had two good scoring games in a playoff series.

That's one side of the coin.

If he is an A player then you gotta give quin a bad grade for playing him less than 20 minutes per game. Wonder how many A level players play less than 20 minutes per game.

Also interesting that royce is scoring less, rebounding less, assisting less, getting to the line less, lower PER, and fouling more this year vs last year. I look at a stat saying +/- per 100 possessions and see that last year he was a +10 and this year +5.7 while on court. Turnover percentage is worse this year vs last. Usage is less this year vs last year. I dont know how that effects his stats

So last year he must have been an A++ and should have been all NBA and an all star. Only thing he is doing better this year is shooting percentage on less fg attempts of course.

I like Royce. A lot. I think he should play more. Take all of thabo minutes and some of Ingles (quin doesn't agree though for some reason). I had very high expectations for him. I thought he would work on his offense in the off season and that this season his minutes, usage, points, shot attempts, etc would all go up by quite a bit. His nickname is buckets after all. Maybe that is just a funny ironic nickname.

I kinda think that A grade level players should be guys that are at least in the realm of all Star consideration. I mean if Royce is an A player then harden, giannis, Durant, etc need a whole other alphabet and there should just be no such thing as a grade below b.

He is a good 3 and D player who plays less than 20 minutes a night and averages 5 points, 3 rebounds, and 1.5 assists per game. 9.3 per. That doesn't equal A to me.

Now if my grades were based on how much money a guy makes and where they were drafted then I would give him an A cause he is much much better than most undrafted players who make what he makes.

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[fishonjazz]

And lest we forget: Ingles wasn't as good as Royce in their respective 2nd seasons. **** takes time.

Oh, I see. My grades weren't based on future seasons.
I agree that it will take time for Royce to be an A grade level player.
And yes, ingles wasnt very good in his second season with the jazz. Probably why he only played 15 minutes per game and the lowest amount of minutes of his career despite not being on playoff team.
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[fishonjazz]

For me A level players are the players that we couldn't do without. If they don't play, we lose. Like we be ****ed without them.

There are plenty of games this season where Royce barely even played and we were just fine. He is a bench role player. And a very good one. Bench role players don't get A grades from me. I'm a tough grader I guess.

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[LogGrad98]

For me A level players are the players that we couldn't do without. If they don't play, we lose. Like we be ****ed without them.

There are plenty of games this season where Royce barely even played and we were just fine. He is a bench role player. And a very good one. Bench role players don't get A grades from me. I'm a tough grader I guess.

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POTY

Not really but that's a good post.

 

[fishonjazz]

POTY

Not really but that's a good post.

Thanks.
At the same time I don't want to be the guy arguing against jazz players. I love this team and love this season so I'm done when this nonsense. (Maybe too late lol.)
If Cy thinks Royce deserves an A then good on him.

Go Jazz!

I do think that jae and Royce are the biggest X factors on this team and if they both play their best in the playoffs then we will overachieve.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

That's one side of the coin.

If he is an A player then you gotta give quin a bad grade for playing him less than 20 minutes per game. Wonder how many A level players play less than 20 minutes per game.

Also interesting that royce is scoring less, rebounding less, assisting less, getting to the line less, lower PER, and fouling more this year vs last year. I look at a stat saying +/- per 100 possessions and see that last year he was a +10 and this year +5.7 while on court. Turnover percentage is worse this year vs last. Usage is less this year vs last year. I dont know how that effects his stats

So last year he must have been an A++ and should have been all NBA and an all star. Only thing he is doing better this year is shooting percentage on less fg attempts of course.

I like Royce. A lot. I think he should play more. Take all of thabo minutes and some of Ingles (quin doesn't agree though for some reason). I had very high expectations for him. I thought he would work on his offense in the off season and that this season his minutes, usage, points, shot attempts, etc would all go up by quite a bit. His nickname is buckets after all. Maybe that is just a funny ironic nickname.

I kinda think that A grade level players should be guys that are at least in the realm of all Star consideration. I mean if Royce is an A player then harden, giannis, Durant, etc need a whole other alphabet and there should just be no such thing as a grade below b.

He is a good 3 and D player who plays less than 20 minutes a night and averages 5 points, 3 rebounds, and 1.5 assists per game. 9.3 per. That doesn't equal A to me.

Now if my grades were based on how much money a guy makes and where they were drafted then I would give him an A cause he is much much better than most undrafted players who make what he makes.

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For me A level players are the players that we couldn't do without. If they don't play, we lose. Like we be ****ed without them.

There are plenty of games this season where Royce barely even played and we were just fine. He is a bench role player. And a very good one. Bench role players don't get A grades from me. I'm a tough grader I guess.

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LMFAO.

 

[LoPo]

I'm a massive O'Neale fan. He's awesome and has a bright future. Fish is right though. He's not yet an "essential" player who plays enough or provides enough to rate him above a B. I think something in the B range is very fair for what O'Neale provides.

But we don't need to get too upset by Cy's outrage. He rated DL an A+ after all. The GM who replaced Stockton with Allen, Jerekbo with Niang and Burks with Korver. Sure Korver is the best player out of those 6 guys, but an A+ rating for a GM who took a step back replacing Jerekbo with Niang and only made an improvement by upgrading Burks with a 37 year old bench shooter? We would have to win the NBA Finals for DL to deserve an A.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Korver has had a massive impact.

Niangs per 36 minutes are practically the same as Jerebko's.

Why the **** ate you even bringing up Stockton? The guy played 9 minutes last year.

DL stayed patient and made smart moves that improved the team without hurting their future.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Fish gave Raul Neto a B- despite him not physically being able to handle more than 15 minutes in a game without missing the next 2 weeks.

But then he gives Oneale a C?

 

[fishonjazz]

Fish gave Raul Neto a B- despite him not physically being able to handle more than 15 minutes in a game without missing the next 2 weeks.

But then he gives Oneale a C?

And said I was being bias right in the post. Also mentioned expectations playing a part in the grades. High expectations for Oneal and low ones for Raul played a part without a doubt. Also Raul leading the team in net rating 2 years running influenced me with neto. (I don't know that he is still leading the team in that stat but he was a month or so ago)


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