Report: Gordon Hayward, Utah Jazz discussing contract extension

[Myjazz]

I guess I don't get the argument at all. Favors is going to be a $12 million guy next year no matter what. Even if he comes back with out being in better shape, without improving his game and playing just like he did last year he'll get $11 million a year. We all know that's not going to happen so why is there an argument that the guy isn't going to be paid 12 mil+ a year ? He's in the best shape of his life, he's worked hard on his game and body all summer and he's gonna be getting over double the minutes. How does that not translate into way better numbers? He would have to be a complete moron, and a pathetic basketball player for this not to happen just because that's what happens. Dudes going to get paid 12+ book it, and if there's any opportunity for the jazz to sign him long term for less they should jump all over it

 

[♪alt13]

Lock up Hayward.

The Jazz starting lineup will include at least a couple rook contracts for the duration of his extension. This makes it low risk to extend his contract.

 

[franklin]

I think we are pretty much on the same page with him as to his skills, other than maybe I'm a bit more optimistic as to what he may turn into next year, but agree that he will definitely not fix all of those issues. I also don't think he will be a max player by the end of this coming season, but it is possible if he actually develops a shot.

I think it's a wash extending or waiting. I'm in favor of extending Favors at slightly more than his perceived/potential/whatever value but on a flat scale with no raises at around $12mm per. His agent knows he doesn't have a ton of upside there, but he might have a little downside even if not not much.

I have no issues with paying him an extra million and a half per to a) cut out the upside, and b) give him security and also a commitment that lets him know he's holding the reigns and has some latitude to do more of what he wants. I'm not saying he'd take advantage of an inch, but being here for 5 more years puts the ball in his court and should instill some confidence.

The question here then is what exactly is overpaying? Are they all overpaid? If we can lock him up for 9 per now instead of 12 per next season is it worth it? Given these numbers I would think yes. But, as has been correctly stated here, his game has some glaring holes. So that is the question of risk. Do you take the risk that he will never plug those holes and lock him up earlier possible for less, or do you wait and run the risk of him plugging those holes and pay more later?

He's not going for $9mm, that's for sure.

The problem teams have is overpaying "potential" like DeAndre Jordan who now looks pretty damn one sided and can't rebound worth a damn. During that contract neg's though, the nation was high on the kid. Clipps chose wrong where OKC chose right with Ibaka. I think Favors is way closer to the Ibaka end of the spectrum though, so overpaying by 10-15% isn't going to stick you cap wise going forward.

Favors will always be moveable at $12mm, I think.

I guess I don't get the argument at all. Favors is going to be a $12 million guy next year no matter what. Even if he comes back with out being in better shape, without improving his game and playing just like he did last year he'll get $11 million a year. We all know that's not going to happen so why is there an argument that the guy isn't going to be paid 12 mil+ a year ? He's in the best shape of his life, he's worked hard on his game and body all summer and he's gonna be getting over double the minutes. How does that not translate into way better numbers? He would have to be a complete moron, and a pathetic basketball player for this not to happen just because that's what happens. Dudes going to get paid 12+ book it, and if there's any opportunity for the jazz to sign him long term for less they should jump all over it

Solid post. I see you've been here for 10 months on low volume, so let me give you a belated welcome to the forum. Good stuff.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Here is what I would offer both.

Hayward - $9 MM / year
Favors - $12 MM / year


If Hayward has a great year, he will get no more than $11 MM / year. I am concerned Hayward --> Celtics in 1-2 years if we do not sign.

If Favors has a great year, he will be on track for a Max deal.

If the jazz want to resign him, Hayward has no choice but to sign with Utah.

 

[franklin]

BTW, Spazz, if he develops a respectable outside shot then he's pretty damn close to a max guy.

 

[orangello]

Here is what I would offer both.

Hayward - $9 MM / year
Favors - $12 MM / year


If Hayward has a great year, he will get no more than $11 MM / year. I am concerned Hayward --> Celtics in 1-2 years if we do not sign.

If Favors has a great year, he will be on track for a Max deal.

Sanders has done more than Favors so far and Sanders got 4 years 44 million. I think that sounds fair for Favors.

 

[Myjazz]

Thanks Franklin. I'm in need of some Jazz basketball, I barely can sleep at night. This form is starting to be my lifeline.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

BTW, Spazz, if he develops a respectable outside shot then he's pretty damn close to a max guy.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Myjazz]

Sanders is a good comp to Favors. But if you play Favors the same amount of minutes that Sanders is getting Favors will outperform him. Favors is on a different planet physically. I think a lot of people will be surprised by the way he develops this year.

As far as Hayward goes, I really believe that guy is legit. I think there's 20+ teams that would sign him today for 9-10 mil. So if the jazz can lock him up in that range long-term I think they jump on it. .

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I guess I don't get the argument at all. Favors is going to be a $12 million guy next year no matter what. Even if he comes back with out being in better shape, without improving his game and playing just like he did last year he'll get $11 million a year. We all know that's not going to happen so why is there an argument that the guy isn't going to be paid 12 mil+ a year ? He's in the best shape of his life, he's worked hard on his game and body all summer and he's gonna be getting over double the minutes. How does that not translate into way better numbers? He would have to be a complete moron, and a pathetic basketball player for this not to happen just because that's what happens. Dudes going to get paid 12+ book it, and if there's any opportunity for the jazz to sign him long term for less they should jump all over it

The question here then is what exactly is overpaying? Are they all overpaid? If we can lock him up for 9 per now instead of 12 per next season is it worth it? Given these numbers I would think yes. But, as has been correctly stated here, his game has some glaring holes. So that is the question of risk. Do you take the risk that he will never plug those holes and lock him up earlier possible for less, or do you wait and run the risk of him plugging those holes and pay more later?

I think it's a wash extending or waiting. I'm in favor of extending Favors at slightly more than his perceived/potential/whatever value but on a flat scale with no raises at around $12mm per. His agent knows he doesn't have a ton of upside there, but he might have a little downside even if not not much.

I have no issues with paying him an extra million and a half per to a) cut out the upside, and b) give him security and also a commitment that lets him know he's holding the reigns and has some latitude to do more of what he wants. I'm not saying he'd take advantage of an inch, but being here for 5 more years puts the ball in his court and should instill some confidence.



He's not going for $9mm, that's for sure.

The problem teams have is overpaying "potential" like DeAndre Jordan who now looks pretty damn one sided and can't rebound worth a damn. During that contract neg's though, the nation was high on the kid. Clipps chose wrong where OKC chose right with Ibaka. I think Favors is way closer to the Ibaka end of the spectrum though, so overpaying by 10-15% isn't going to stick you cap wise going forward.

Favors will always be moveable at $12mm, I think.



Solid post. I see you've been here for 10 months on low volume, so let me give you a belated welcome to the forum. Good stuff.

Good posts.
I concur on the belated welcome Myjazz.

I guess only time will tell us if we can get Favors for less than 12mil either by extension or by matching. I agree that it is doubtful he will sign for much less than that. I also think that if the money works out the same that I think the Jazz should extend him for reasons not necessarily monetary in nature... but could end up paying off. Give him the extension now, offer 11 per, let him talk you into 12 so he and his agent feel like they won something. I can tell you that at any level of work you will get better results from an "employee" if that employee knows you want them on your team and support them. Just my 2 cents

 

[Myjazz]

JazzSpazz You couldn't be more correct on the employee comments. It's crazy how people will outperform their current performance levels by just feeling valued and important. I think Favors really falls into that category maybe even more than Hayward does. If Malone can have the right influence on Favors and Kanter, their growth and performance gains this season could be off the charts.

 

[Stifle Tower]

One thing to consider is the timing of the signings. What is the cap hold for each as RFA's? Jazz might be better off using their cap space to acquire FA's or take on players in a GS-like deal before they re-sign Hayward or Favors (or match offers for them). If they re-sign them first, that would severely limit what they could do in free agency.