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Saint Cy of JFC said:
I want to like Deni, but he's never shot the ball well and he has no place on this team if he cant.
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Yeah I keep waiting for the shooting… if that did click in though he takes several leaps up imo… his defense is really good and he’s one of those secondary/tertiary ball handler passers that can make a high level offense hum… like I think he’s a solid glue/bench guy right now… if he shoots it well enough he becomes a high level glue guy starter.

The shooting may never come around and that is where you are gambling.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Have you watched Okoro? McDaniels is a way better defender and shooter… Williams might be more similar but there’s a reason McDaniels extension number will start with a 3 Williams extension would need to start with a 2 and Okoro will dangle into FA.
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Yes, I've watched both a lot. I'm not sure McDaniels is a significantly better defender. Okoro is a really strong defender, never been his issue. Offensively McDaniels is ahead, but he's not exactly a world beater yet. We'll see if that shooting sticks, but IMO he's got to prove it at least one more especially when he's shooting at a lowish volume. Okoro is pretty disastrous overall on offense though. McDaniels is a better player/prospect, but he will probably make double Okoro and I'm not sure the difference between the two represents that. Numbers seem to support this as well. The majority of both players' value comes from defense and I don't think there is some massive gap.

With Okoro, you're probably looking at giving him a contract that's just above the mid level. If you max out McDaniels, I don't even think that gets it done.
 
KqWIN said:
Yes, I've watched both a lot. I'm not sure McDaniels is a significantly better defender. Okoro is a really strong defender, never been his issue. Offensively McDaniels is ahead, but he's not exactly a world beater yet. We'll see if that shooting sticks, but IMO he's got to prove it at least one more especially when he's shooting at a lowish volume. Okoro is pretty disastrous overall on offense though. McDaniels is a better player/prospect, but he will probably make double Okoro and I'm not sure the difference between the two represents that. Numbers seem to support this as well. The majority of both players' value comes from defense and I don't think there is some massive gap.

With Okoro, you're probably looking at giving him a contract that's just above the mid level. If you max out McDaniels, I don't even think that gets it done.
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McDaniels is a much better defender, better shooter, and has showed some juice off the dribble getting into the midrange. He’s longer and just seems to be able to cover anyone from Steph to Luka and all your big wings. I think as a player he is definitely a few tiers higher and I’d take the cap hit to have him over Okoro. Teams don’t guard Okoro… I wouldn’t pay him 15M a year… I’d happily give McDaniels 30M. I’ve watch McDaniels more than Okoro admittedly but Okoro is invisible when I watch. I think there’s a reason Cleveland paid Strus/Niang even though they have the tiny dynamic backcourt that could use a perimeter defender.
 
I am a huge fan of going after quickly. If the jazz dont make a move this season and clear some of the guard log jam I think a sign and trade would be a good idea.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
McDaniels is a much better defender, better shooter, and has showed some juice off the dribble getting into the midrange. He’s longer and just seems to be able to cover anyone from Steph to Luka and all your big wings. I think as a player he is definitely a few tiers higher and I’d take the cap hit to have him over Okoro. Teams don’t guard Okoro… I wouldn’t pay him 15M a year… I’d happily give McDaniels 30M. I’ve watch McDaniels more than Okoro admittedly but Okoro is invisible when I watch. I think there’s a reason Cleveland paid Strus/Niang even though they have the tiny dynamic backcourt that could use a perimeter defender.
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The much better defender part is the part I disagree with. Okoro is fantastic on defense and that is where the bulk of their value comes from. Offensively McDaniels is definitely ahead like I said, but I think we’re getting ahead of ourselves with a <16% usage player. Maybe in time, but when players have a massive spike in their shooting (on lowing volume) I like to see them prove it a little while longer. Even with the very accurate shooting last season I don’t think he was a positive player on offense. Again, numbers back this up but I also haven’t seen anything out of this world from watching McDaniels either. I think the general consensus is one step ahead one McDaniels and Edwards. If they were as good as everyone says they are they would have been a much better team. Maybe they turn into those guys this year. We’ll see.

Either way, McDaniels isn’t even in the picture for us. I think Wolves match a max contract….which is insane to me but that’s how it is these days. Don’t care to discuss him much.
 
Okoro is really good at defense, but he doesn't have McDaniels size, lenght, strenght, rebounding...
 
rjfan said:
Okoro is really good at defense, but he doesn't have McDaniels size, lenght, strenght, rebounding...
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or ball-handling.

Not that McDaniels is really great at those things, but he does have upside for growth.

I think the upside for growth in Okoro's game is pretty limited.
 
And honestly, i'd expect the Wolves to match a McDaniels max offer, and had they traded KAT, something they'll problably do in the future, focus more on developing his offense would be a thing, which is another reason they problably should already gone that route
 
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