Collison has had a reputation of being a terrible, terrible defender. Burke is also a bit bigger than Collison. For as much flack that Burke gets for being small, he has a very good wingspan for a PG of his size.
Revisiting the Trey Burke trade
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Collison has had a reputation of being a terrible, terrible defender. Burke is also a bit bigger than Collison. For as much flack that Burke gets for being small, he has a very good wingspan for a PG of his size.
trey last 10 games
12.6/6.7 43% 33.4 min
now that's a type of production i expected from trey's 2nd season. tad lower on points, but that's understandable because of hayward's took that next step.
i would be very happy with this number. anything lower isn't good enough.
12.6/6.7 43% 33.4 min
now that's a type of production i expected from trey's 2nd season. tad lower on points, but that's understandable because of hayward's took that next step.
i would be very happy with this number. anything lower isn't good enough.
NAOS
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what'd you expect on the defensive side of the ball?
it is what it is. we saw improvement in his D early in the season. but past few weeks, trey didn't appear to be 'all in' on D. i think his slow start on O made him weary. i saw trey being little lazy at times. also he needs to get stronger and don't get discouraged when he goes under or over the screen.
and in fairness to trey help D failed him alot. you can't stay in front of the defender all the time when you have to constantly go around the screen. any baller would tell you, it's tiring. trey isn't stiff, but he doesn't have a fluid hip like some of the lock down defenders. so he needs to get stronger and neutralize the pounding he is taking. try going around mozgav that's like going around a brick wall. but our bigs need to be smarter and be more instinctive and help on neutralizing pick and roll. they should know trey ain't the lock down defender, so help D is key. collectively our D is a pile of crap because we always react. when you react to moves, it's already too late. watch how spurs help on tony parker.
trey is definitely work in progress. trey isn't fast or athletic, but he can get stronger. and he needs to know exum is breathing down his neck if he doesn't pick up his defensive slack.
trey needs to watch some DJ and Glove tapes and learn how to attack the pick. you gotta have stronger core and needs to have quicker feet, but it's all mental and stamina. you can't get tired. you can't get discouraged. you gotta have little bit of psycho in you. you can't be soft. collectively our team is soft. we are too young and don't have the barker.
hope trey grows into a man. right now i see a dude who isn't a man.
hope trey grows into a man. right now i see a dude who isn't a man.
da ThRONe
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As a New Orleans fan I fan tell you Chris Paul had many of the same defensive issues Trey Burke is having. Paul was an awful defender off ball, on ball and especially in PNR. It wasn't until after the summer he spent with the Olympics team that Paul came into the season with better defensive play. And Paul is still a shakey defender minus the steals, but much more improved. People here would be killing CP3 if he played on this team based on the same standard they are holding Burke to.
framer
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The thing about a point guard is that you are penalized when your team hasn't gelled. You can tell there are times when Trey is running the play and others are not. At this point in Trey's development, he needs people to be where they are supposed to be in order to be fully effective. You can also see when the Jazz are dialed in and Trey looks awesome. I think that some of the questionable shots he takes are when he gets frustrated from the set breaking down. As the players around him continue to improve, so will Trey (miraculously!)
On another note, you can see this with Exum as well. I think the only bench player Exum fully trusts on the block is Gobert and ONLY with the lob. However when things get loose and wild and he just plays, he looks marvelous!
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Lol!
CP3 is an elite scorer, very good shooter (47%/36%) with career averages of 19/10/4/2. He can get a shot off whenever he wants. The standard we have for Trey is WAY below that.
I don't know about being incredible, but he has a ton of talent. I'm in no way convinced he will become an All-Star, but it will be exciting to see what he can do.
framer
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That's my thing. I don't even think he really knows how to play basketball. He is certainly athletic and can do many things, but the hill that he has to climb in just learning the game is SOOOO steep, that it will be difficult for him to break out as anything but a specialist. He is raw AND wild. Generally you can overcome one of those things. I can't think of anyone who has overcome both to become a super star.
da ThRONe
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Paul at this stage is farther ahead then Burke no doubt. But it's two completely different situations. Paul was able to be the ball dominate guard in a PG based offense. Burke is not.
Not to mention you are comparing in his prime Paul numbers. Look at Chris' first two years. Not nearly as impressive as his career averages.