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Ricky Rubio the Basketball Enigma

I am sincere in this statement... I have no idea how anyone can say this season that Ricky is a "nice" player. There is no way to justify that statement.

Anytime that Dante does any of the TOs or stupid shots that Ricky does, he gets the end of the bench. Ricky is a nice guy and a great teammate but he is NOT a nice player.

There is no way to justify Ricky starting after this sampling of games this season.
I can see why he starts. Cause Exum isn't very good either. Some crappy point guard has to start for this team. I do think Exum should get more minutes though and Ricky get less. And would love to trade either or both of them

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I agree that those 2 for 12's and 0 for 8's happen too often. I am a huge Ricky fan and I get tired of it as well. But the analysis for why that is happening has to be deeper than what we've seen here so far.

(Disclaimer: the rest of this post is not addressed at Candrew specifically, I'm not pointing him out)

One of the things that many people on this board seem to overlook when it comes to the Jazz offensive struggles (maybe it's lazyness, maybe it's lack of understanding / awareness, maybe it's just because it goes against their preferred narratives) is the fact that most guys on the team just refuse to take bad shots even when there's not a better option out there, which is why Donovan and Ricky end up shooting more than they should, and usually worse shots too. You just can't have the luxury of having so many guys like Rudy, Ingles, Korver, O'Neal or Exum focusing only on the shots they like, even when the team needs them to shoot in different situations. You can't have them passing up scoring opportunities only to dump the ball to Mitchell or Rubio under pressure and force them to take an even worse shot only because Rudy refuses to try anything other than scoring on a roll to the basket or off a put-back, and Ingles won't shoot a 3 unless he's got time to release the ball and is confident he can make it, and he won't look to score from two if he doesn't get a clear lane for a lay-up or the occasional teardrop. We see those instances dozens of times every week and it has a direct effect on the two guys that end up with the ball more often, not only because they are they main ballhandlers, but also because they are the most aggressive and unafraid to miss in those situations, because they understand eventually someone needs to take the shot.

This situation is what's lead Rubio to shoot 18.3 times per 100 possessions for the Jazz when he had only averaged 13.6 FGs per 100 for the Wolves, and a big reason why despite some pretty evident improvements in his game as a scorer, he continues to be so inconsistent and have those 2 for 12 nights. That's the reason why a guy like Joe Ingles, "one of the best shooters in the league", takes 66% of his shots being open (closest defender 4-6 feet from him) or wide-open (6+ feet) as per NBA data, which is almost as often as Rubio, a guy "that defenses constantly leave wide open". That's also a big reason why the offense gets so stagnant, so often, cause the starting C not only will not try to score from beyond 5 ft, but also has made just *11 shots all season* that are not lay-ups, dunks or tip-ins (and he's at 177 FGM!). So when you have good man-to-man defense from the other team, when your guys are tired or you're not moving the ball fast enough and can't find an open man, you don't have the possibility of dumping the ball into the post and running an inside-out offense, or simply waiting for your 7'2'' C to draw another defender, because everyone knows he won't even look at the basket.

This is not to say all of Rubio's and Mitchell's struggles are influenced by their teammates, but when you have a team that is lacking in so many areas offensively, when you have guys that are either gun-shy or flat-out trying to keep their %'s up, looking for a scapegoat or focussing on the guys that are more affected by those factors comes off as lazy, uninformed and, frankly, pretty dumb.


I disagree with some of this, but overall a great post.
 
Ricky is a quality basketball player for sure, but he is ideal with more scorers around him. I don't think the spacing thing - or the perception of the 'spacing' thing - is the entire issue, it's also that Ricky is the 2nd or at least 3rd best scorer/playmaker on the team and that is far from his greatest skill. Though he can score a bit, his best attributes are his passing and feel for the game. He would be great to have alongside some more dynamic scorers to manage all the possessions, control/push pace, and get the ball to the correct spots. The more scoring he has to do, the less he can do some of those other things that he is better at. Find some people better equipped to get the ball in the bucket and Rubio will get to play to more of his strengths.
 
I agree that those 2 for 12's and 0 for 8's happen too often. I am a huge Ricky fan and I get tired of it as well. But the analysis for why that is happening has to be deeper than what we've seen here so far.

(Disclaimer: the rest of this post is not addressed at Candrew specifically, I'm not pointing him out)

One of the things that many people on this board seem to overlook when it comes to the Jazz offensive struggles (maybe it's lazyness, maybe it's lack of understanding / awareness, maybe it's just because it goes against their preferred narratives) is the fact that most guys on the team just refuse to take bad shots even when there's not a better option out there, which is why Donovan and Ricky end up shooting more than they should, and usually worse shots too. You just can't have the luxury of having so many guys like Rudy, Ingles, Korver, O'Neal or Exum focusing only on the shots they like, even when the team needs them to shoot in different situations. You can't have them passing up scoring opportunities only to dump the ball to Mitchell or Rubio under pressure and force them to take an even worse shot only because Rudy refuses to try anything other than scoring on a roll to the basket or off a put-back, and Ingles won't shoot a 3 unless he's got time to release the ball and is confident he can make it, and he won't look to score from two if he doesn't get a clear lane for a lay-up or the occasional teardrop. We see those instances dozens of times every week and it has a direct effect on the two guys that end up with the ball more often, not only because they are they main ballhandlers, but also because they are the most aggressive and unafraid to miss in those situations, because they understand eventually someone needs to take the shot.

This situation is what's lead Rubio to shoot 18.3 times per 100 possessions for the Jazz when he had only averaged 13.6 FGs per 100 for the Wolves, and a big reason why despite some pretty evident improvements in his game as a scorer, he continues to be so inconsistent and have those 2 for 12 nights. That's the reason why a guy like Joe Ingles, "one of the best shooters in the league", takes 66% of his shots being open (closest defender 4-6 feet from him) or wide-open (6+ feet) as per NBA data, which is almost as often as Rubio, a guy "that defenses constantly leave wide open". That's also a big reason why the offense gets so stagnant, so often, cause the starting C not only will not try to score from beyond 5 ft, but also has made just *11 shots all season* that are not lay-ups, dunks or tip-ins (and he's at 177 FGM!). So when you have good man-to-man defense from the other team, when your guys are tired or you're not moving the ball fast enough and can't find an open man, you don't have the possibility of dumping the ball into the post and running an inside-out offense, or simply waiting for your 7'2'' C to draw another defender, because everyone knows he won't even look at the basket.

This is not to say all of Rubio's and Mitchell's struggles are influenced by their teammates, but when you have a team that is lacking in so many areas offensively, when you have guys that are either gun-shy or flat-out trying to keep their %'s up, looking for a scapegoat or focussing on the guys that are more affected by those factors comes off as lazy, uninformed and, frankly, pretty dumb.

good post, but alot of it basically outlines why rubio is a poor fit. and alot of it also shows why allen should be getting more minutes when the offense stagnates. someone who will not pass up shots and can create offense other than mitchell (albeit less creatively/shifty than mitchell).
 
Rubio is actually a bad *** Spaniard -I heard he once roughed up 2 keyboard warriors he came across in the wild and took their chicks
 
good post, but alot of it basically outlines why rubio is a poor fit. and alot of it also shows why allen should be getting more minutes when the offense stagnates. someone who will not pass up shots and can create offense other than mitchell (albeit less creatively/shifty than mitchell).
And who the defense has to guard

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Ricky can score sometimes, you cant really say that about dante. Also, running the offense is a thing too, Rubio does that a lot better.

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Just FYI, Dante was at 24.3 points per 100 last year, Rubio was at 22.3
Dante is at 20.0 this season, while Rubio is at 20.3

Scoring is not a thing Rubio is better than Dante at.

I agree about him running the offense though...
 
Hmm... Rubio can make a layup

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Umh... no... not really. This is arguably more of a problem than him not being able to shoot.

Dante vs Ricky's percentages from 0-3 feet for their respective last 4 years:
2014-2015 .731 vs .517 (2015-2016 for Ricky)
2016-2017 .551 vs .484
2017-2018 .676 vs .535
2018 2019 .551 vs .551 (this is career high for Ricky and career low for Dante and they are at the exact same %)
career .594 vs .490
 
Umh... no... not really. This is arguably more of a problem than him not being able to shoot.

Dante vs Ricky's percentages from 0-3 feet for their respective last 4 years:
2014-2015 .731 vs .517 (2015-2016 for Ricky)
2016-2017 .551 vs .484
2017-2018 .676 vs .535
2018 2019 .551 vs .551 (this is career high for Ricky and career low for Dante and they are at the exact same %)
career .594 vs .490
No, I really mean that Rubio can make a layup, Exum cant finish at the rim.

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Umh... no... not really. This is arguably more of a problem than him not being able to shoot.

Dante vs Ricky's percentages from 0-3 feet for their respective last 4 years:
2014-2015 .731 vs .517 (2015-2016 for Ricky)
2016-2017 .551 vs .484
2017-2018 .676 vs .535
2018 2019 .551 vs .551 (this is career high for Ricky and career low for Dante and they are at the exact same %)
career .594 vs .490
How many times have we seen Dante beat his man off the dribble to miss the layup this season? Dante's strength is his defense and his first step. If he gets past his opponent he can lob it or shoot it, stats can be deceptive. There have been many times where he goes for a contested layup and the ball doesn't even come close to going in, it's like he just throws it up there hoping for a call.

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