Ricky shoot around comments to media

[Saint Cy of JFC]

6 games which makes it even more silly. So you are saying that we definitely need to start Rubio because our offense runs better with him. Rubio has been a starting PG for the better part of 14 years. Mitchell started 6 games.

The fact that there is even a conversation tells me that I'm encouraged about Mitchell's potential at the position long term.

If we lost Rudy, Favors and Udoh then Niang had to start at center for 6 games yet we won almost all of them and our numbers were pretty close to the same, we would all be like holy **** good job Niang. Maybe we can rely on him at that position more than we anticipated.

Terrible analogy.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Nah. The Jazz have to get another high usage starter. It's not even a debate IMO. It doesnt have to be a PG, but it has to be a guy who can dribble and create a shot for themselves and others. Like at the very least a Jeremy Lamb, not a Bullock/Green.

I think you could have a Bullock/Green and bring a guy like Lamb or a pg creator off the bench. I think we are probably close to the same page. I am of the opinion that we need shooting and defense primarily and creation would be great... players that have all that are hard to get. So if you can settle and get something get the shooting and defense. I also think getting a guy like Kemba would make us too small and you get diminishing returns. I think you can mix another high usage guy in the top 6-7 players, but doesn't have to be a starter.

 

[fishonjazz]

Nah. The Jazz have to get another high usage starter. It's not even a debate IMO. It doesnt have to be a PG, but it has to be a guy who can dribble and create a shot for themselves and others. Like at the very least a Jeremy Lamb, not a Bullock/Green.

Unless you're getting Klay Thompson, you cant start next season with Mitchell at PG surrounded by a bunch of guys who are just shooters and Gobert.

Could also be that Mitchell is just a 2nd year player and the conclusions you are making about him now could be invalid as he develops and his game changes.

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[JAZZGASM]

Could also be that Mitchell is just a 2nd year player and the conclusions you are making about him now could be invalid as he develops and his game changes.

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Agreed. But he still has a ton of room to improve. He slows down the offense and takes a lot of early shots. I also expect him to improve faster if he gets more playing time (and coaching). As much as I hate Snyder's offense, one advantage is you don't need a prototypical PG. I think Donovan can develop enough to take that role, and will provide him more advantageous mismatches with his length vs forcing him to guard taller 2 guards. I think a backcourt of Donovan and Exum can be much more beneficial on both ends. I'd rather have the ball in either of their hands at this point, and I say that as someone who appreciates and likes Rubio.

And IMO, Rubio had a poor showing last night. Missed some defensive assignments and didn't fight over some screens he could have. He also missed two point blank layups. I'm sure he is still fighting some nagging hamstring issues. The break will likely do everyone some good.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think you could have a Bullock/Green and bring a guy like Lamb or a pg creator off the bench. I think we are probably close to the same page. I am of the opinion that we need shooting and defense primarily and creation would be great... players that have all that are hard to get. So if you can settle and get something get the shooting and defense. I also think getting a guy like Kemba would make us too small and you get diminishing returns. I think you can mix another high usage guy in the top 6-7 players, but doesn't have to be a starter.

I don't think we are. I'm extremely hardline in that there has to be a starter who is above 20% usage and operates comfortably in that role.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

One thing that advanced statistics cannot show is what the Jazz would be like if Mitchell ran the point with another impact guard playing next to him. Mitchell has the ability to run the point--making reads and moving the ball--as well as say Damian Lillard or Russel Westbrook. If the Jazz had a solid, 2-way guard who could create his own shot, score better than Ricky and also defend at least as well as Ricky, that would probably be a more effective guard rotation than what we have now.

I think a line-up with Mitchell at PG and even a middling SG like Tim Hardaway Jr. could be more potent than what we have now.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Could also be that Mitchell is just a 2nd year player and the conclusions you are making about him now could be invalid as he develops and his game changes.

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What the duck are you talking about?

Please point me to the superstar who wins, not even championships, just regularly advances in the playoffs, without having a strong secondary ball handler.

You can't do it unless your prime Lebron or Harden, and their teams/themselves where eventually like "**** I need to play next to another high usage player".

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

One thing that advanced statistics cannot show is what the Jazz would be like if Mitchell ran the point with another impact guard playing next to him. Mitchell has the ability to run the point--making reads and moving the ball--as well as say Damian Lillard or Russel Westbrook. If the Jazz had a solid, 2-way guard who could create his own shot, score better than Ricky and also defend at least as well as Ricky, that would probably be a more effective guard rotation than what we have now.

I think a line-up with Mitchell at PG and even a middling SG like Tim Hardaway Jr. could be more potent than what we have now.

THJ would be worse than Rubio. He is a 6th man at best on a playoff team.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

My observations/belief in this doesn't really have anything to do with Mitchell. If we had Lebron James instead of Mitchell I'd say the same thing: The team needs another primary ball-handler who can be a high usage player.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think we are. I'm extremely hardline in that there has to be a starter who is above 20% usage and operates comfortably in that role.

Well if you can land Niko or Rudy Gay to play the 4 then you should be fine with a lower usage guard. Exum is over 20 as well.

The argument that we need Ricky because he has a higher usage and it’s valuable is not great... considering that the usage of the possessions is not great.

I just think when we describe a guard that is good at defense, can use a fair amount of possessions, is a little bigger than pg size, and is a good shooter you are describing Gary Harris on the low end and Brad Beal on the high end... maybe Brogdon if you squint a little but he’s not as versatile on defense as I’d like. I think it might be easier to get the shooting, defense and size and get usage somewhere else.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

My observations/belief in this doesn't really have anything to do with Mitchell. If we had Lebron James instead of Mitchell I'd say the same thing: The team needs another primary ball-handler who can be a high usage player.

So you need two primary ball handlers? I mean one would be a secondary handler right?

Whatever it is that we need... I’m pretty comfortable in saying Rubio ain’t it long term. Fine for the rest of the year... but I’m ready to move on.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Well if you can land Niko or Rudy Gay to play the 4 then you should be fine with a lower usage guard. Exum is over 20 as well.

The argument that we need Ricky because he has a higher usage and it’s valuable is not great... considering that the usage of the possessions is not great.

I just think when we describe a guard that is good at defense, can use a fair amount of possessions, is a little bigger than pg size, and is a good shooter you are describing Gary Harris on the low end and Brad Beal on the high end... maybe Brogdon if you squint a little but he’s not as versatile on defense as I’d like. I think it might be easier to get the shooting, defense and size and get usage somewhere else.

Yeah, I disagree again.

And I'm not arguing for Rubio.