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Rodney King revisited

Scorecard:
tu quoque fallacy: check
False claim (that Hopper requested billyshelby express himself in a certain way): check
False claim (that Hopper said Hopper did not have a game he played): check
Inability to differentiate deductive and inductive teaching methods: check
False claim (Hopper thinks people can't understand him): check

Even more embarrassing is that this is exactly the behavior Hopper described.

1) There is no tu quoque fallacy at play (very fancy, had to look that up): aint, in my opinion, is accusing me of the very same things he is guilty of. He could put me on ignore, he's just as guilty of 'sophistical ad hominem attacks, fallacious reasoning, bluster, and insult,' he crams half baked opinions down people's throat, he 'plays to the crowd' (badly), he employs 'simplistic and bogus tactics,' and I love intelligent discussion, I just haven't seen it evidenced in things aint says. That may be the literal definition of 'tu quoque fallacy,' but the only distinction to be made is he said it first. If I said it first, and aint rebutted that was me, he'd be 'guilty' of the same fallacious reasoning. Bottom line: I think I'm right, he thinks he is, the truth is whatever it is.

2) If you weren't such a robot, you would understand that aint isn't directly asking me to express myself in a certain way. He's "above" that. He simply belittles my way of expressing myself as being uninterested in "intelligent discussion." As usual, aint is careful to claim moral victories by way of semantics, but I assume most people see through the words to the meaning.

3) Don't see where aint claims to be playing his own game. Seems his game is the 'intelligent discussion crowd', whereas I'm catfishing the gutter. But as best as I can tell, he's not claiming to play a game. He's claiming I am. I dispute that, and my "claims" to be playing a game were meant rhetorically which is why there were quotes around it--as in, neither of us is playing a game. We're both posting on this board, but I'm not going to sit idly by while he claims I have a 'game' and he doesn't.

4) It's hilarious you actually think most people can't differentiate between inductive and deductive teaching methods. Everyone gets aint is inductive. What I expressed, which is not to claim opinions of others, is that aint is very bad at inductive teaching. He's really not interested in debate so much as the smoke and mirrors show to prove his own intellectual prowess. I realize you're going to disagree with me on this and that's OK with me.

5) aint doesn't make sense because he never tries to. Yeah, some people like his schtick. He likes being the guy with a million questions, no answers, but a common sense feeling. Answers are always relative and unreliable. He loves to fall back on the unknowability of the universe. He's very careful to take no opinions so long as it doesn't involve Jerry Sloan, Deron Williams, Mat Harpring, or the few other rocks in his stream which are unassailable, and of course totally corrupted by his emotion. They're heroes to him, and he won't see his heroes tarnished, at which point he disingenuously employs his reason to affirm those rocks. So in final answer, my guess is people understand aint perfectly. He just wouldn't like the conclusions.
 
1) There is no tu quoque fallacy at play (very fancy, had to look that up): aint, in my opinion, is accusing me of the very same things he is guilty of. He could put me on ignore, he's just as guilty of 'sophistical ad hominem attacks, fallacious reasoning, bluster, and insult,' he crams half baked opinions down people's throat, he 'plays to the crowd' (badly), he employs 'simplistic and bogus tactics,' and I love intelligent discussion, I just haven't seen it evidenced in things aint says. That may be the literal definition of 'tu quoque fallacy,' but the only distinction to be made is he said it first. If I said it first, and aint rebutted that was me, he'd be 'guilty' of the same fallacious reasoning. Bottom line: I think I'm right, he thinks he is, the truth is whatever it is.

The difference is that Hopper merely said he wasn't going to interact with you, based on your posting style, while you are telling him to change his. Regardless of who thinks they are right, Hopper's declaration is a different character than your demands.

2) If you weren't such a robot, you would understand that aint isn't directly asking me to express myself in a certain way. He's "above" that. He simply belittles my way of expressing myself as being uninterested in "intelligent discussion." As usual, aint is careful to claim moral victories by way of semantics, but I assume most people see through the words to the meaning.

I didn't see a claim of moral victory there. Hopper and I have each claimed an occasional victory over the other, and he typically waits for an acknowledgement of error before claiming any sort of vicotry. No one expects that you will acknowledge an error, just as no one expects you to distinguish between commenting on a post or posting style and commenting on a person.

3) Don't see where aint claims to be playing his own game. Seems his game is the 'intelligent discussion crowd', whereas I'm catfishing the gutter. But as best as I can tell, he's not claiming to play a game. He's claiming I am. I dispute that, and my "claims" to be playing a game were meant rhetorically which is why there were quotes around it--as in, neither of us is playing a game. We're both posting on this board, but I'm not going to sit idly by while he claims I have a 'game' and he doesn't.

I don't recall Hopper saying he doesn't have a game (in the sense of playing specific roles in various social transactions on this board). I'm sure he's aware that games are often a part of intelligent discussion, and in fact are probably more common in intelligent discussion than other types. The Socratic method is a game. Inductive discussion of a point is a game. Putting out minimal information and seeing where people go with it is a game. Hopper plays all of those games, and sometimes quite adeptly. Making strong declarations and not backing them with evidence is also a game, but one he doesn't play.

4) It's hilarious you actually think most people can't differentiate between inductive and deductive teaching methods. Everyone gets aint is inductive. What I expressed, which is not to claim opinions of others, is that aint is very bad at inductive teaching. He's really not interested in debate so much as the smoke and mirrors show to prove his own intellectual prowess. I realize you're going to disagree with me on this and that's OK with me.

Inductive discussion styles are not conducive to debates. If you really got that he was using an inductive style, you'd see that. They are conducive to discussions, which Hopper does participate in for pages on end, on occasion.
 
Always best when ya can have it both ways, know what I'm sayin?

In the context of this spam thread, and many others like it that you spew frequently, you play the part of the wise sage. But of course we're also treated to all your spam threads about Sloan, Deron, etc. which are designed to exalt your heroes which are all crammed down our throats with half baked opinions. That's when you go into Riefenstahl mode. I'll bet she was capable of highly intelligent conversation. Didn't make her honest though, did it? Always best when ya can have it both ways, know what I'm sayin'?
 
I think the little crush that OneBrow has for Taint is kinda hot. What is even more exciting to think about is the fact that OneBrow IS Taint. Sexy.
 
I think the little crush that OneBrow has for Taint is kinda hot. What is even more exciting to think about is the fact that OneBrow IS Taint. Sexy.

Any two people who can both see Biley as playin the punk that he loves to play have to be the same person, because no two people could both be that wrong--that the idea, eh, Bum? Ya gotta crush on Biley, that it?
 
Any two people who can both see Biley as playin the punk that he loves to play have to be the same person, because no two people could both be that wrong--that the idea, eh, Bum? Ya gotta crush on Biley, that it?

No, I'm pretty sure that's a joke at the expense of write4u and a cople of others who thought he was onto something.
 
seems mighty charitable of you to call it clever...

:wink: :wink:

Are you kidding me? The guy who was once a mod has gone as far as arguing with himself in his own blog, for hell sakes. Along with the fact that he had his own forum under ANOTHER username, "A", I'd say the wool has been cleanly pulled over our collective eyes.
 
...what's the big deal? There are alot of guys out there, both black and white....that deserve a "Rodney King" beating.....Rodney King was just one of them!!!
 
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