Roe v. Wade is going down

[LogGrad98]

The #1 requester of geofence Google user data is California. Florida and Texas combined do not match California despite Florida and Texas combined having 25% more people living there. Six of the top Eight geofense Google requesters are abortion legal states that voted for Biden in the 2020 election. If this sort of police state big brother stuff worries you then vote the opposite of how California would vote.

This is a non-issue as far as the abortion debate goes, imo. These requests are very common and have been an effective way to close out criminal cases. To take this data and to extrapolate it into, you know, obviously going after 14-year-old girls who might be seeking abortions across state lines is a huge over-reach.

I do have concerns about laws being passed fully criminalizing abortion, especially the ones that try to regulate abortion done in other states, where there are already laws protecting people from state laws when they cross state borders. To me the supreme court should get involved in some of these as to me they are clear over-reach by the states to control their populace beyond what is constitutionally allowed.

 

[One Brow]

@The Thriller with more scare tactics and misinformation. Just waiting for one brow to come rushing to his defense.

1) He doesn't need my defense.
2) He'll own up to his mistakes, from time to time.
3) You must be very hurt by me to drag me into this out of nowhere.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Unfortunately it is very common to just post for the headline as that's about as far as most people go into the story when cruising facebook or whatever.

haven’t the last few years proven that positions that were once seen as extremist on the right are now promoted as mainstream?

Remember back in the day when Republicans thought Russia was our #1 geopolitical enemy and now they cheer Putin?

Or remember when they supported the military now smear generals who didn’t go along with Trump’s attempt to overthrow the government?

Just because some state legislature failed to pass a bill a year or two ago doesn’t mean that that bill will stay dead forever. Hell, I’m old enough to remember on Jan 6 and 7 Lindsey Graham, Kevin McCarthy, etc swearing that they “were done” with Trump. Now what are they doing?

The truth is, the incentive structure is such that Republicans will be rewarded by primary voters for the most anti-abortion positions possible. So if they feel like passing such legislation might improve their chances of obtaining higher office or appearing on Fox News, then they’ll do it. I think the next phase that we’re looking at will be Republicans adding more and more enforcement on anti-abortion. That means using cellphone data, bounties, and other punitive measures on doctors. And using their Supreme Court to enforce their agenda; Obergefell and Griswald in particular.

 

[One Brow]

This is a non-issue as far as the abortion debate goes, imo. These requests are very common and have been an effective way to close out criminal cases. To take this data and to extrapolate it into, you know, obviously going after 14-year-old girls who might be seeking abortions across state lines is a huge over-reach.

Geofence information should require a warrant, and you are unlikely to get a warrant to a crime that has not yet happened.

 

[Deleted member 365]

This is a non-issue as far as the abortion debate goes, imo. These requests are very common and have been an effective way to close out criminal cases. To take this data and to extrapolate it into, you know, obviously going after 14-year-old girls who might be seeking abortions across state lines is a huge over-reach.

I do have concerns about laws being passed fully criminalizing abortion, especially the ones that try to regulate abortion done in other states, where there are already laws protecting people from state laws when they cross state borders. To me the supreme court should get involved in some of these as to me they are clear over-reach by the states to control their populace beyond what is constitutionally allowed.

Why wouldn’t the Supreme Court side with Republican state legislatures? They clearly aren’t motivated by any particular ideology (like state’s rights). Had they been motivated by state’s rights why would they have ruled against NY’s gun regulation laws?

They’re making rulings based on personal opinions. They found abortion to be icky and prayer to be nice. They’re even lying about them at times to get desired results. This ruling is what, like two weeks old?


View: https://twitter.com/miketango22202/status/1548762787811246080?s=21&t=XUVXZC2Aiu1lu6iOS6_XWQ


So why wouldn’t they pull another ruling out of their asses to support whatever draconian anti abortion laws that their team passes at the state level?

 

[Deleted member 365]

Funny thing is that of all the things thriller posted, this one concerned me the least. Not much of a scare tactic for me as i have never cared if my location is tracked.

Now, wanting the death penalty for someone who gets an abortion, that seems like a big deal to me.


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What’s more pro life than killing people for getting medical care? Even if the death penalty isn’t ever used, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to predict what kind of effect this will have on medical providers and women needing health care.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Geofence information should require a warrant, and you are unlikely to get a warrant to a crime that has not yet happened.

Does the law need to be enforced to have its desired chilling effect?

I’m not sure if there’s a law against teaching CRT in Utah and what the penalties are. But the effect it has had on educators and what they’re teaching has been profound. I’ve talked to former colleagues who now dance around slavery and civil rights issues over fear of being accused of teaching CRT. Slavery is part of the 8th grade US History I curriculum and CR is part of the 11th grade US History II. However, many educators are scared now of teaching their own approved curriculum.

 

[LogGrad98]

Geofence information should require a warrant, and you are unlikely to get a warrant to a crime that has not yet happened.

Yes and currently it does require a warrant to my knowledge. However in a highly-partisan situation that is entirely feasible depending on the situation. I just don't ever see that being a significant part of enforcement of abortion "crimes".

 

[Bucknutz]

1) He doesn't need my defense.
2) He'll own up to his mistakes, from time to time.
3) You must be very hurt by me to drag me into this out of nowhere.

I don’t have to drag you. If Al or I post anything, it’s your bat signal to jump in and defend anyone we are debating. I knew you would show up quickly.

Thriller is dug in. He reminds me of Mac.


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[One Brow]

I don’t have to drag you. If Al or I post anything, it’s your bat signal to jump in and defend anyone we are debating. I knew you would show up quickly.

Perhaps you two should stop posting slanted and deceptive information, then, if my responses bother you. I certainly don't track who responds to my posts, or why. I just gave you some likes before I saw the post calling me out, because I thought you were correct in your responses. Be correct more often, you'll here less from me.

 

[Bucknutz]

Perhaps you two should stop posting slanted and deceptive information, then, if my responses bother you. I certainly don't track who responds to my posts, or why. I just gave you some likes before I saw the post calling me out, because I thought you were correct in your responses. Be correct more often, you'll here less from me.

You miscategorized me. I don’t post slanted and deceptive information. I don’t post all the time but I do post when someone (mostly thriller) is being slanted, misleading or lying about a topic and call them out like I did today. Just like I called you out when you said FL’s bill was a grooming bill. I even stated the bill wasn’t an anti-grooming bill.
I’m middle ground on most topics and agree with views on the left and right.

This forum is an echo chamber of the left and you are apart of it. Everyone tries to attack someone who has a slightly right leaning view.

It’s great to listen to opposing views on topics. Just like business, it’s bad business if everyone is a Yes man. I just find it funny that every time Al makes a post, you rush in to combat him.

 

[One Brow]

You miscategorized me.

Perhaps so. I'll try to keep a more open mind.

This forum is an echo chamber of the left and you are apart of it. Everyone tries to attack someone who has a slightly right leaning view.

I remember when this forum was an echo chamber for the right.

Have you been attacked? There have been a couple of posters who seem deliberately deceptive, but I've never thought of you in that category.

It’s great to listen to opposing views on topics. Just like business, it’s bad business if everyone is a Yes man. I just find it funny that every time Al makes a post, you rush in to combat him.

@Al-O-Meter 's posts are often deliberately deceptive.