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Al-O-Meter said:
I think that "anyone" includes men and women. I can see that you think differently and believe "anyone" only refers to men. Much like children, you don't seem to see women as people.
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nope. Anyone means anyone who is eliminating life when they masturbate. Which is obvious when you look at the context of discussion. Of course you singled out women cause you are you.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
That depends on a lot of circumstances, as is the case any time there is a homicide. All I want is the recognition that a life is ended. Those who argue against that obvious fact seem to go to crazy extremes to avoid it as if calling the child a "fetus" makes it morally okay to kill a child, or a laser-like focus on a "woman's rights" to pretend there is no child's life being ended. The woman walking in to the abortion clinic is "with child" and the woman walking out is no longer "with child". That child was killed. Recognition of that child is where I'd hope we can start.
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Some scenarios. Mother simply wants to end/prevent the pregnancy.

A) Plan B.

B) Mifepristone at say 7-8 weeks.

C) Surgical abortion at ~12 weeks.

Even you don't seem to really believe an embryo is a life with your wish-washy answer here. Wouldn't have needed all that hemming and hawing if I'd asked what the charge should be for killing a toddler.
 
Author/journalist Patrick S Tomlinson poses this situation:

Imagine a scenario whereby you are in a fertility clinic when the fire alarm goes off. Before you escape, you have the option to save either a five-year-old child who is pleading for help, or a container of 1000 viable human embryos.

“Do you A) save the child, or B) save the thousand embryos?“ he asks.

“There is no 'C.' 'C' means you all die.”
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gandalfe said:
Author/journalist Patrick S Tomlinson poses this situation:
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For me there is no choice here. You obviously save the child. Option B wouldn't even cross my mind in that situation. If I was in that situation and someone presented the option of saving the embryos at the expense of the child I'd probably give them a hard *** smack as I passed them on my way to save the child just so they could get their idiot head on straight.
 
Eminence said:
Even you don't seem to really believe an embryo is a life with your wish-washy answer here. Wouldn't have needed all that hemming and hawing if I'd asked what the charge should be for killing a toddler.
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There is no hemming, hawing, or wishy-washiness. The death of a toddler can and has been charged as first degree murder, second degree murder, manslaughter, and not charged at all. I believe a fetus is no different from a toddler (except for them being in different stages of development fishonjazz). If the pregnancy was the result of consensual sex, the unborn child was healthy, the mother was in good health, and the only reason for the termination of the pregnancy was that the mother desired for the child to be killed so that she didn't have the responsibility of having a child, then yes I would personally support charges of first degree murder.

Our criminal justice system already takes that view when someone other than the mother kills an unborn child, and that includes the male parent of the child. I believe the justice system should be even handed and get rid of the carve-out that gives women a special status allowing them to kill children without the same criminal consequences anyone else would face. I think women should have equal rights (which is to say both men and women have no rights to kill children without consequences).
 
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Al-O-Meter said:
In both cases the only thing being defended against is having a living child.
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If you're not aware of the permanent changes done to your wife's body by carrying your children, you're a disgrace as a husband. If you are aware, you've refuted your own argument.
 
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Al-O-Meter said:
There is no hemming, hawing, or wishy-washiness. The death of a toddler can and has been charged as first degree murder, second degree murder, manslaughter, and not charged at all. I believe a fetus is no different from a toddler (except for them being in different stages of development fishonjazz). If the pregnancy was the result of consensual sex, the unborn child was healthy, the mother was in good health, and the only reason for the termination of the pregnancy was that the mother desired for the child to be killed so that she didn't have the responsibility of having a child, then yes I would personally support charges of first degree murder.

Our criminal justice system already takes that view when someone other than the mother kills an unborn child, and that includes the male parent of the child. I believe the justice system should be even handed and get rid of the carve-out that gives women a special status allowing them to kill children without the same criminal consequences anyone else would face. I think women should have equal rights (which is to say both men and women have no rights to kill children without consequences).
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How does the male parent kill the unborn child? Is it the same as an abortion?
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Sadly, there are many examples. One incident off the top of my head was Scott Peterson who was convicted of second degree murder for the killing of his unborn son.

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Did he take the mother to a doctor after discussing with the mother and the doctor removed the fetus?
If not, then I think you are stupid for comparing men killing an unborn fetus to a mother getting an abortion. But again, it's you we are talking about so it's not surprising that you think an abortion is the same as a man killing a fetus inside a woman.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Did he take the mother to a doctor after discussing with the mother and the doctor removed the fetus?
If not, then I think you are stupid for comparing men killing an unborn fetus to a mother getting an abortion. But again, it's you we are talking about so it's not surprising that you think an abortion is the same as a man killing a fetus inside a woman.
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As far as the child is concerned it is the same. In both cases the child ends up dead. The act was deliberate and the decision to carry out the act was made by one of the parents. The crime isn't "too little discussion". The crime was the killing of a child, and in both cases the child is killed.
 
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ABORTION IS MURDER!

Unless… we suffer huge electoral defeats. Now it’s suddenly not murder and we need to find a compromise.

What’s funny is they’ve been telling their base for years that abortion… any abortion… is murder. But now that they caught the car and are suffering electoral defeats, now suddenly there’s room for compromise? Hmmm


View: https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1643936188099698688?s=46&t=QT7YFlZ_IlHq81PpZAhKgw


View: https://twitter.com/jonschweppe/status/1643434430265016323?s=46&t=QT7YFlZ_IlHq81PpZAhKgw

Hmm. I thought it was a state’s right issue? Guess not if we’re pushing a 15 week national ban.
How is this going to win over young people? Improve lives? Why are we playing politics with this issue?
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