Romney's The Man

[jimmy eat jazz]

So could Romney beat Obama?

Absolutely. There's still around 7 months until the general election. A lot can happen. The economy could tank again, for a number of reasons, or Romeny may successfully rebrand himself (you know, a la etch-a-sketch), etc. Of course, the opposite could happen. I don't put much stock into polls so far in advance of an election.

Those on the left who assume that Obama is a shoo-in given the Republican's untimely and awkward foray into social and reproductive issues, combined with the pandering to the loony fringe of the party, etc. may be in for a rude awakening.

Likewise, those on the right who assume that Obama is a sitting duck may also be wrong.

In politics, as in most other things, partisans/ideologues see things through highly filtered lenses.

I take nothing as a given at this point.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Romney can and should reinvent himself.

In order to get the GOP's nomination, he has had to paint himself as ultra-conservative with tea.

Now, he can go back to being a moderate/liberal and seek out those independent/women/latin votes.

His tea party/evangelical nutcakes will be left with a decision...

#1 Vote for Obama
#2 Stay home and bitch for another 4 years
#3 Swallow their pride and vote for Mitt

.... We all know they ain't votin for the black Demo.
.... Some might stay home....

I think they'll just complain about how their party failed them and then cast a vote for Mitt.

I think Mitt, if he plays his cards right, could really do some damage this fall. All he has to do is go back to being moderate/quase liberal, do his best to steal back some of those voters that are turned off by tea, and he could really win.

 

[candrew]

Politically, no. One is a moderate Republican and the other borders upon Socialism.

LOL.

Come on - really?

 

[Stoked]

I don't know much about Singapore... Why Singapore? I guess I don't know much about it.

But Australia and S. Africa are definitely on my list as well.

Why not Singapore. Seems like a fun place to go, I like Asian women (I like all beautiful women) and it is different than anything I know.

Europe does not really hold any fascination for me (so i switched Spain with Singapore) All my places are spread out and completely different(or where before I added Singapore)

 

[Beantown]

You mean the HC reform that is bringing Massachusetts to the brink of bankruptcy.

...

In June 2011 a Boston Globe review concluded that the healthcare overhaul "has, after five years, worked as well as or better than expected.

In March 2012, the National Bureau of Economic research released a working paper claiming "that health care reform in Massachusetts led to better overall self-assessed health... [and] improvements in several determinants of overall health, including physical health, mental health, functional limitations, joint disorders, body mass index, and moderate physical activity."

 

[Stoked]

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You are arguing something else entirely Bean. He said that it is bankrupting the state, he said nothing about it being effective or ineffective.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

LOL.

Come on - really?

Whenever anyone associates Obama with socialism, that's a sure sign you're dealing with someone who is irrational, that or he/she has no idea what socialism really is. (Or in the case of Romney, someone who is pandering to the ideological morons on the Republican fringe.)

There is a pretty amazing, interesting and incredibly, wonderfully complex world out there outside of the right wing echo chamber. I know it's scary to think that the entire world cannot be reduced to simple minded right wing ideological soundbites, but I strongly suggest giving it a try.

 

[Stoked]

Whenever anyone associates Obama with socialism, that's a sure sign you're dealing with someone who is irrational, that or he/she has no idea what socialism really is. (Or in the case of Romney, someone who is pandering to the ideological morons on the Republican fringe.)

There is a pretty amazing, interesting and incredibly, wonderfully complex world out there outside of the right wing echo chamber. I know it's scary to think that the entire world cannot be reduced to simple minded right wing ideological soundbites, but I strongly suggest giving it a try.

I particularly liked the part where you attacked his "right wing echo chamber" stance with a standard left wing echo chamber stance.

Well played sir.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I particularly liked the part where you attacked his "right wing echo chamber" stance with a standard left wing echo chamber stance.

Well played sir.

Wrong. It is not parrotting the 'left wing echo chamber' to criticize the argument that Obama is a socialist. That he is not is self-evident, assuming one understands what is meant by 'socialism' and 'socialist.' This argument is advanced overwhelmingly by persons immersed in uncritical right wing ideological 'discourse.' This argument is NOT advanced, by and large, by moderate Republicans, independents, or Democrats. So my statement stikes me as an accurate empirical observation, rather than the parrotting of any left-wing talking points.

By the way, I am an independent voter who believes strongly in the virtues of divided government, but who also has a profound distrust and aversion to unthinking, low-information ideological morons, such as those who argue that Obama is a socialist.

 

[Gameface]

Whenever anyone associates Obama with socialism, that's a sure sign you're dealing with someone who is irrational, that or he/she has no idea what socialism really is. (Or in the case of Romney, someone who is pandering to the ideological morons on the Republican fringe.)

There is a pretty amazing, interesting and incredibly, wonderfully complex world out there outside of the right wing echo chamber. I know it's scary to think that the entire world cannot be reduced to simple minded right wing ideological soundbites, but I strongly suggest giving it a try.

There is a sliding scale between absolute free market capitalism and absolute state run collectivism. These systems are based on various political philosophies. Obama has repeatedly supported ideas that stem from socialist ideology. Now, there is a big, very big, difference between recommending various socialist inspired programs and transforming the current U.S. economic system into a legitimately socialist economy, but to describe Obama’s stated views as socialist leaning is not some right wing delusion.

 

[Stoked]

Wrong. It is not parrotting the 'left wing echo chamber' to criticize the argument that Obama is a socialist. That he is not is self-evident, assuming one understands what is meant by 'socialism' and 'socialist.' This argument is advanced overwhelmingly by persons immersed in uncritical right wing ideological 'discourse.' This argument is NOT advanced, by and large, by moderate Republicans, independents, or Democrats. So my statement stikes me as an accurate empirical observation, rather than the parrotting of any left-wing talking points.

By the way, I am an independent voter who believes strongly in the virtues of divided government, but who also has a profound distrust and aversion to unthinking, low-information ideological morons, such as those who argue that Obama is a socialist.

So basically it is wrong because you say so? That is as stupid as everything you were just going off about.

I was talking more about this part: "There is a pretty amazing, interesting and incredibly, wonderfully complex world out there outside of the right wing echo chamber. I know it's scary to think that the entire world cannot be reduced to simple minded right wing ideological soundbites, but I strongly suggest giving it a try. "

How about you ask him why he holds these views? Perhaps he has real world experiences that have led him to his views. But no, you are not interested in what his opinion is and how he got there. You are only interested in tearing down any view that is not your own.

As for you being an independent voter. I. Do. Not. Care. Never brought it up and it has no bearing on anything to do with what we are talking about. You used a standard response to attack any opinion other than your own. Your political affiliation is pointless.

 

[candrew]

There is a sliding scale between absolute free market capitalism and absolute state run collectivism. These systems are based on various political philosophies. Obama has repeatedly supported ideas that stem from socialist ideology. Now, there is a big, very big, difference between recommending various socialist inspired programs and transforming the current U.S. economic system into a legitimately socialist economy, but to describe Obama’s stated views as socialist leaning is not some right wing delusion.

That's quite a rationalization.

Actually I think "boderline socialist" is code for "boderline black".