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Romney's The Man

An Obama slogan I saw today on 106 & Park, "I got 99 problems, but a "Mitt" ain't one."

I seriously think Obama's done a pretty good job since coming in in 2008, when the economy was in the ****ter. The DOW has surpasses 12,000 this year, General Motors is once again the leading car manufacture in the world. Unemployment is down near 8% from 10% in 2009. Utah's unemployment is near 5%. I wanna see what he can accomplish in 4 more years. I wouldnt mind seeing universal healthcare, although many hate the idea. The way I see it is this term has been an adjustment, and he can take full hold of the reins from 2012 until 2016.

As far as Mitt Romney, I hope people see past him and dont elect him. The last thing we need is someone trying to run the USA as a business. Trying to make a profit. He's made his millions screwing people just like us and we dont need that for 4 years.

I know Utah will vote for Romney...OBVIOUSLY. Just make an educated decision beforehand. Even if in the end you vote for Mitt.
 
The Thriller said:
I've been back a few times, it's a great place. I would love to live and work there. Summer all year long, beautiful country, cool culture, awesome people, etc.

I guess the drawbacks would be #1 salary (although.... In Sao Paulo they might not be that far behind... And if you get a job at an American firm, you can make bank) and #2 not being able to personally watch Jazz games. Which... Meh. You can get most sports, that you care about, NFL/NBA on dish. I remember seeing a lil bit of the Giants vs... I think it was Cowboys game. When Romo screwed up the hold... lol

And beautiful ladies!

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Would love to live there as well. Just a little fearful of foreigners being kidnapped in South America. Seems like it is pretty common.
 
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Scat said:
All this will do is get Obama reelected.
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could be.

But the Senate is where it's at right now, and what we need is at least ten to stand tall like Paul. Call it Obama Insurance.

Make it real hard for Obama, or even Romney to do another war, like on Iran.

Get the Fed audited and exposed for what it is, and replaced with the Treasury doing its constitutional duty.

Send up some balanced budgets Romney will look real duplicitous complaining are too "sketchy".

Ditch Obamacare, Codex Alimentaris, and a lot of other nonsense we've been hobbling ourselves with, especially the HSA and other national police state apparatchik orgs.

It's true we have more veto fights with Obama in office than we would with Romney, but it's also true that the RNC needs to be replaced by some grass roots folks, and that's a bigger issue than Obama. We actually need a political party that is responsible and responsive to the people, at least one. Two would be better, sure.
 
babe said:
could be.

But the Senate is where it's at right now, and what we need is at least ten to stand tall like Paul. Call it Obama Insurance.

Make it real hard for Obama, or even Romney to do another war, like on Iran.

Get the Fed audited and exposed for what it is, and replaced with the Treasury doing its constitutional duty.

Send up some balanced budgets Romney will look real duplicitous complaining are too "sketchy".

Ditch Obamacare, Codex Alimentaris, and a lot of other nonsense we've been hobbling ourselves with, especially the HSA and other national police state apparatchik orgs.

It's true we have more veto fights with Obama in office than we would with Romney, but it's also true that the RNC needs to be replaced by some grass roots folks, and that's a bigger issue than Obama. We actually need a political party that is responsible and responsive to the people, at least one. Two would be better, sure.
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I agree with your sentiment, it just won't happen. Way too many corrupt politicians and Americans who are asleep or at this point don't care about anything involving government unless it is collecting a check from government. Not saying that's wrong to collect a check from government. Just saying that's where a lot of people's interest in government ends.
 
Gameface said:
There is a sliding scale between absolute free market capitalism and absolute state run collectivism. These systems are based on various political philosophies. Obama has repeatedly supported ideas that stem from socialist ideology. Now, there is a big, very big, difference between recommending various socialist inspired programs and transforming the current U.S. economic system into a legitimately socialist economy, but to describe Obama’s stated views as socialist leaning is not some right wing delusion.
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you're trying to sound moderate, but... you are also wrong. Sorry.
 
Gameface said:
But socialist ideals are socialist ideals. The idea that industry unfairly takes advantage of workers and that it is the right of the people to seize control of these industries in order to opperate them in a way more beneficial to workers is the root of socialist thinking. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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implied here (as the counterpoint to your over-simplified reading of socialism) is a very monstrous definition of capitalism, namely, that is must ignore the true costs of production and pursue the lowest overhead and most rapid and complete use of resources in order to be defined as such.

In the end, these are caricatures.
 
Americans over-exaggerate the differences between the so-called 'left' and the 'right.'

Since Reagan especially, the guiding force of governance has been economic rationale (what is now termed "neo-liberalism"). Go down the list since Reagan.... all of them, including Obama, have had more in common economistically than they have had differences. All the other stuff is taken up by the media, made into the largest shenanigan possible, attracting everyones attention, while the serious decisions and consequences of de-regulation pass through.

If you want to use Obamacare as an example of his "socialism", then you're just proving how brainwashed you are.
 
NAOS said:
Americans over-exaggerate the differences between the so-called 'left' and the 'right.'

Since Reagan especially, the guiding force of governance has been economic rationale (what is now termed "neo-liberalism"). Go down the list since Reagan.... all of them, including Obama, have had more in common economistically than they have had differences. All the other stuff is taken up by the media, made into the largest shenanigan possible, attracting everyones attention, while the serious decisions and consequences of de-regulation pass through.

If you want to use Obamacare as an example of his "socialism", then you're just proving how brainwashed you are.
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How can one be such a terrible Utah Jazz forum poster, but utterly dominate the general discussion?
 
trigg3r said:
Would love to live there as well. Just a little fearful of foreigners being kidnapped in South America. Seems like it is pretty common.
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I haven't heard of that happening ever in Brazil.

Why? For one, Brazil is a pretty wealthy country right now. There just isn't a demand to ransom some American family when these folks are already making (good) money.

Secondly, in the industrialized portions of Brazil, Sao Paulo, Porto Alegre, Rio de Janeiro, Florianopolis, Recife, etc there are SO many tourists and foreign businessmen from all over the world, it's really hard to just focus in on one person. Unless you're sporting an American flag, wearing a cowboy hat, and driving around in a big Ford F-350, you'll probably be considered as Gaucho (A southern Brazilian with German ancestry) or a European pansie.

Thirdly, I think your chances of being robbed are greater. Which is true whether you're visiting LA, New York, or Brazil. Just stay out of the bad areas (which are hard to miss. Usually you'll see them coming a long ways off. They're noticeably different than most other areas. You'll see orange bricked ghettos called "favelas.")

You'll be fine here:

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You should be worried when city ends and favela begins. Be worried if you're inside here:

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You're looking at part of one of the most exclusive sights in all of Brazil, Morumbi. Rich rich filthy rich area that ends in poor poor poor favela. Most foreigners working in Sao Paulo will probably reside in one of those high rises.
 
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