Better shot? He has one of the best shots I've ever seen. We're talking half way across the room, and could fill a king size Twinkie. The man's a legend, man.
Ron Paul wins Iowa, Minnesota. . . . and Texas.
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Better shot? He has one of the best shots I've ever seen. We're talking half way across the room, and could fill a king size Twinkie. The man's a legend, man.
That is extremely prevelant where I am at. I completely agree with you.
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Paul v. Krugman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jEmKIRqz9AI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jEmKIRqz9AI
I like contributions of substance.
Krugman is plenty smart, and one of Kicky's reference points.
But he's pumping up the derivative bubble, which will have to burst before we can ever have a resolution of the banks woes. Our five biggest banks, if I can remember the list precisely, include Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Chase/JP Morgan, Citibank, and Goldman-Sachs. These banks fairly well own and control the "Fed", and have their men running the show. When we had the bust in the easy Mortgage bubble, we did QEI under Bush, QE II and now QE III, and we also printed a lot of fiat currency and electronic "assets" in what we Utahn's busted "Bailout Bob" for, and Hatch helped. It was an arbitrary bailout of the "inside" bankers, while letting some other banks go under, with bigger fish banks rushing in to control the valuable assets. We gave banks a trillion dollars or more, and the MSM hyped it that now the banks could loan money to people wanting to refinance their mortgages or start businesses.
The big banks did not "spread the wealth", they sat on it. They tightened mortgage requirements and turned down almost everybody wanting to rebuild the economy. They took their stolen loot from the public treasury and doubled down on speculative gambling financial instruments called "derivatives". There are trillions of dollars of derivative "assets" that have been pumped up in value beyond what the underlying stocks, bonds, mortgages, or commodity values are now worth on the free market.
What Krugman wants to do is give the big bankers more trillions so they can forestall the inevitable collapse of the derivatives markets. What Ron Paul is saying is that we need to let the big banks fail for their bad judgment, let others pick up their assets for a fair market price, and stop making the retired folks on their pensions, savings, and retirement funds pay for the slick suits's stupidity.
Of course, I expect franklin to come in here with his point that ordinary real people who have some savings or accumulated wealth are just stingy for wanting it's value to be consistent, when with the simple roll of the printing presses we can spread it quickly into the banker's waiting paws. And what franklin doesn't see is that with the system we are running now, there is no chance anyone can work hard, be frugal, and live on their own means. The system we have simply guarantees that everyone is going to end up broke.
Only Ron Paul sees that we have to stop our corrupt and delusionary fantasy and just let people have a chance.
Ron Paul also wins Nevada and Maine. . . .
Convention results from Nevada and Maine have given Ron Paul two more wins.
In Nevada, 22 of 25 delegates are Ron Paul bound. In Maine, after the old guard denied actually falsifying the vote tallies for the media's Romney hype campaign, the elected delegates have come down to being 24 Ron Paul supporters, with just 2 for Mitt, and two uncommitted. The Maine folks were so mad about being top=down gang raped by the Mitt establishment, and having their actual votes ignored and suppressed, they did a real Ron Paul Revolution, and now do in fact control the state's GOP machinery.
The media continues to understate the truth of Ron delegates, even while vaguely referring to many more states where Ron Paul is in serious contention.
https://gma.yahoo.com/ron-pauls-not-secret-plot-gop-convention-194749745--abc-news-politics.html
At stake is the whole concept of democratic government where the actual votes of the people are supposed to count for something. At two different levels: on the actual votes of mere registered party members in elections, and on the actual votes of delegates those people send to the party conventions. It's the people vs. the legally private party organization. And the issue is whether there is a democratic process within the party that can actually impact the "elites" who have been running the party.
Convention results from Nevada and Maine have given Ron Paul two more wins.
In Nevada, 22 of 25 delegates are Ron Paul bound. In Maine, after the old guard denied actually falsifying the vote tallies for the media's Romney hype campaign, the elected delegates have come down to being 24 Ron Paul supporters, with just 2 for Mitt, and two uncommitted. The Maine folks were so mad about being top=down gang raped by the Mitt establishment, and having their actual votes ignored and suppressed, they did a real Ron Paul Revolution, and now do in fact control the state's GOP machinery.
The media continues to understate the truth of Ron delegates, even while vaguely referring to many more states where Ron Paul is in serious contention.
https://gma.yahoo.com/ron-pauls-not-secret-plot-gop-convention-194749745--abc-news-politics.html
At stake is the whole concept of democratic government where the actual votes of the people are supposed to count for something. At two different levels: on the actual votes of mere registered party members in elections, and on the actual votes of delegates those people send to the party conventions. It's the people vs. the legally private party organization. And the issue is whether there is a democratic process within the party that can actually impact the "elites" who have been running the party.
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Ron Paul Revolution succeeds in Massachussets
While according to GOP party rules, the Massachussets delegation will vote for Romney on the first ballot in Tampa, they are actually Paul supporters in majority, and these Paul supporters will be voting to revamp the GOP leadership, change the rules, and the party platform. . . . and for giving Paul actual recognition at the Tampa convention.
https://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/05/02/ron-pauls-stealth-delegate-strategy/
While according to GOP party rules, the Massachussets delegation will vote for Romney on the first ballot in Tampa, they are actually Paul supporters in majority, and these Paul supporters will be voting to revamp the GOP leadership, change the rules, and the party platform. . . . and for giving Paul actual recognition at the Tampa convention.
https://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/05/02/ron-pauls-stealth-delegate-strategy/
Ron Paul is never going to win the nomination. Never going to happen. he knows that and I believe that is not even why he is running. I think he knows he never had a chance. I think he is running for all the things you are pointing to as proof that he has a chance to win. He is running so that changes are made at the basic ground level with how things are done and who is in power. Then the next level and the next and the next...he is running to change who holds power in the republican party. While he has no chance at the nomination I think he has a very real chance at make the changes he wants. That will also have a much deeper and long lasting effect.
With our first amendment rights on the line, I'm not going to concede the point until the race is won. And I won't quit even then. If Romney or Obama win the Presidency, the message still needs to be asserted, and persuasively won. And that is what our form of government is supposed to be. . . . responsive to the people who are supposed to be running the government, and acting to protect their rights. People who get into office who fail to understand that just need to be removed from office, sooner than later. We have been asleep while our rights have been violated by our government. Now is the time we must speak up, and make our voices and our votes count in protecting our freedom and human dignity.
The current delegate tally
I'm going to comb through the net today and compile, for entry here, the prospects for Ron Paul delegates so far as information can show. Then let's discuss why the media won't do this. . . . .
Alabama: popular vote 4.98% for Paul; Romney placed third after Newt and Santorum. Ron Paul delegates got 15 %, a very confusing result since by the rules voters had to vote for a delegate supporting the candidate they voted for. Questions the accuracy of the reported popular vote tally. The "establishment" in favor of Mitt has subsequently violated their own rules to add appointed Mitt alternates. . . . Stuff like this makes real people just get mad at stupid "elite" or "insider" actions which rob them of their influence in their government. No actual delegate slate has been advanced yet. 50 total delegates at stake, 3 automatic, 26 at-large, 21 congressional district. Failing of anyone getting a majority of the vote, the non-automatic 47 will be proportionally split between candidates getting over 20%. This appears to make the glaring inconsistency in the reported vote significant and might deny Paul any delegates.
Alaska: 6 delegates for Paul, including the two state party top leadership posts. Out of 24 total.
Arizona: Arizona violated the party rules to push it's election up this year, trading half of their original number of assigned delegates for the privilege of one day in the media sun, derogating the importance of their own voter's say in Tampa convention. 0 for Paul, all 29 for Romney. . . . . could have been 58 but the Romney establishment state folks thought 29 in the bank early would be more of a help to Romney than 58 in Tampa.
No information on actual sentiments of actual delegates. . . . some discussion of changing the rules to allow Florida and Arizona to vote differently than the rules now require. considered/reported to be a remote possiblity. But my personal impression of Arizona is that within the Republican ranks, Ron Paul has very dedicated supporters and probably some who will vote to change the rule.
Arkansas: May 22 Primary. Paul is on the ballot, Mitt has 3 "soft pledged" party insider delegates already. 36 delegate total. The rules are complicated, and while not directly allocating delegates bound per the primary, do give a premium to a candidate gaining more than 50% of the vote, and guarantee a delegate to every candidate with 15%. Potential for a Ron Paul revolution because of way delegates are selected. Southern state with active animosity against Mitt.
I'm going to comb through the net today and compile, for entry here, the prospects for Ron Paul delegates so far as information can show. Then let's discuss why the media won't do this. . . . .
Alabama: popular vote 4.98% for Paul; Romney placed third after Newt and Santorum. Ron Paul delegates got 15 %, a very confusing result since by the rules voters had to vote for a delegate supporting the candidate they voted for. Questions the accuracy of the reported popular vote tally. The "establishment" in favor of Mitt has subsequently violated their own rules to add appointed Mitt alternates. . . . Stuff like this makes real people just get mad at stupid "elite" or "insider" actions which rob them of their influence in their government. No actual delegate slate has been advanced yet. 50 total delegates at stake, 3 automatic, 26 at-large, 21 congressional district. Failing of anyone getting a majority of the vote, the non-automatic 47 will be proportionally split between candidates getting over 20%. This appears to make the glaring inconsistency in the reported vote significant and might deny Paul any delegates.
Alaska: 6 delegates for Paul, including the two state party top leadership posts. Out of 24 total.
Arizona: Arizona violated the party rules to push it's election up this year, trading half of their original number of assigned delegates for the privilege of one day in the media sun, derogating the importance of their own voter's say in Tampa convention. 0 for Paul, all 29 for Romney. . . . . could have been 58 but the Romney establishment state folks thought 29 in the bank early would be more of a help to Romney than 58 in Tampa.
No information on actual sentiments of actual delegates. . . . some discussion of changing the rules to allow Florida and Arizona to vote differently than the rules now require. considered/reported to be a remote possiblity. But my personal impression of Arizona is that within the Republican ranks, Ron Paul has very dedicated supporters and probably some who will vote to change the rule.
Arkansas: May 22 Primary. Paul is on the ballot, Mitt has 3 "soft pledged" party insider delegates already. 36 delegate total. The rules are complicated, and while not directly allocating delegates bound per the primary, do give a premium to a candidate gaining more than 50% of the vote, and guarantee a delegate to every candidate with 15%. Potential for a Ron Paul revolution because of way delegates are selected. Southern state with active animosity against Mitt.
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I do not expect any Ron Paul supporters to quit. Question though, let's say that down the road you have a candidate with a legitimate shot. Then the people reject him and choose another. Would that satisfy you as to the voice of the people?
Yes Paul is winning a bunch of these delegates now but some of them are "bound" to for Romney (ex Nevada. Paul won 22 of 25 delegates. Yet 20 of Pauls delegates are bound to Romney and have to vote for him on the first ballot.). So regardless of Ron Paul "winning" them Romney will wint he nomination.
As I said before, and you appear to agree with, this is not about winning hte nomination. This is about who is holding the positions that matter and what the party platform will be. Hopefully Paul will get some of his ideas into the platform. That would be a major victory for him. It could lay the ground work for years.
As I've said before, media reports can't be relied upon very well. Sources I've seen since your reply here show that Nevada's delegates are bound: 8 for Romney, 6 for Paul, unless the convention changed the old rule and now give Paul the result I saw in today's news. Either way, it's not what the media has run up for Mitt in their reports hyping Mitt as the "presumptive" nominee. Not, as you say, 20 votes for Romney on the first ballot.
What I had read said 20. I believe it was CNN...either way it shows some of Paul's delegates will actually vote for Romney. But either way the result he wanted will be acheived. A speaking spot and inclusion of some of his ideas in the party platform.