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Roster Building From Here - FA and Summer of 2023

Handlogten's Heros said:
My agenda is simple… I do not take anything the front office puts out directly or indirectly as gospel. I hear it and then watch the actions. That’s all… so when DA says the 2024 draft is better than 2023 I laugh cuz it’s either a lie or just a guy saying something off the cuff that he doesn’t really believe imo. Maybe what TJ is saying is the “lie” but I just feel like they have very little motivation to be honest or direct at all… this is poker… why voluntarily show your hand.
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Again with the "gospel" and "show your hand" comments. Perhaps you dont see the shades of gray after all.

If I ask you what you think of 2025 draft and ask again in 7 months are you obliged to give the same answer to avoid lying?
 
HermanG said:
Again with the "gospel" and "show your hand" comments. Perhaps you dont see the shades of gray after all.

If I ask you what you think of 2025 draft and ask again in 7 months are you obliged to give the same answer to avoid lying?
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
And beat writers always tell the 100% unfiltered truth

Yall talk so much ish about Tony saying things for the org, but I guess the moment he says something you want to fit your narrative, it's gospel.
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Eh, that's just confirmation bias, which is the entire reason for the existence of Twitter.
 
So three potential draft night trades… all using cap space so they would be agreed upon draft night and the deal would be consummated when FA opens (if you are wondering… yes it does happen a lot).

- Brooklyn trades DFS and Joe Harris and 22 to the Jazz for THT, 28, and a Cavs pick.

Brooklyn needs to get out of the tax. This allows them to do that and get a future asset. Jazz get a value 3 and D guy who has struggled in Brooklyn… Harris only has 1 year left and is a solid reclamation project trade deadline asset if he stays healthy and bounces back. We move up a few spots… they get a Cavs pick… just felt like that kinda smoothed out the value.

Atlanta sends John Collins and #15 for KO and #28. Again a salary deal for Atlanta. Honestly might try and keep KO and sun in Gay just for cap fodder and to allow us to still have some room to play with.

Finally… old faithful Miami sends #18 and Duncan Robinson for Rudy Gay… would work in some seconds our way. Duncan has played okay in the playoffs… still think he’s a worthwhile reclamation project if you get some draft equity on top of the deal.

Some of this depends on how draft night goes like I don’t want to draft Hendricks and bring in Collins to play in over him… but it may not be much of an issue for a year or so.
 
So I'm not a huge fan of the guy... but I think Jordan Poole almost surely has to be moved unless GS decides to say goodbye to Dray or Klay over the next 12 months. The new CBA is really going to hammer them...

He's been mostly bad this year and his decision making and defense are rough... but as a starter he is like 25 and 5 and I do think it helps him for some reason. IDK the guy is 23 and I'd imagine the market is fairly limited for him... say the price is like KO and Sexton or KO and THT... you in? Is that contract toxic, bad, or meh?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So I'm not a huge fan of the guy... but I think Jordan Poole almost surely has to be moved unless GS decides to say goodbye to Dray or Klay over the next 12 months. The new CBA is really going to hammer them...

He's been mostly bad this year and his decision making and defense are rough... but as a starter he is like 25 and 5 and I do think it helps him for some reason. IDK the guy is 23 and I'd imagine the market is fairly limited for him... say the price is like KO and Sexton or KO and THT... you in? Is that contract toxic, bad, or meh?
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If you can get Poole without sending any picks you do it. No brainer. Probably could flip him if his warts on D/decision-making are worth moving on from and cashing in from a team later.

I always wonder who the next “wait, that guy got traded for nothing?”-then-produce-and-have-a-lot-of-value guys are. I think you always grab those and figure out the rest later (Lauri and Lonzo as RFAs come to mind as examples). But part of that is maybe just incubating a player shed in a liquidation sale until you can trade them for 3x what you got them for.
 
NUMBERICA said:
If you can get Poole without sending any picks you do it. No brainer. Probably could flip him if his warts on D/decision-making are worth moving on from and cashing in from a team later.

I always wonder who the next “wait, that guy got traded for nothing?”-then-produce-and-have-a-lot-of-value guys are. I think you always grab those and figure out the rest later (Lauri and Lonzo as RFAs come to mind as examples). But part of that is maybe just incubating a player shed in a liquidation sale until you can trade them for 3x what you got them for.
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I think there would be some issue if we can't send Sexton in the deal or can't find another home for him. I can see GS just wanting KO so they can get a big boost to the cap issues they will face going forward. I could see another team stepping in and offering a late first or something...

I'm not even sure I liked the deal cuz there are some things about Poole that worry me.

I think there will be some okayish salary dump deals but they will come with players not just big expiring contracts...Poole, Collins, Robinson, Bobby Portis, DFS, Boston has a few guys that could get moved or they let Williams walk... obviously some of those deals will require draft compensation to move.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think there would be some issue if we can't send Sexton in the deal or can't find another home for him. I can see GS just wanting KO so they can get a big boost to the cap issues they will face going forward. I could see another team stepping in and offering a late first or something...

I'm not even sure I liked the deal cuz there are some things about Poole that worry me.

I think there will be some okayish salary dump deals but they will come with players not just big expiring contracts...Poole, Collins, Robinson, Bobby Portis, DFS, Boston has a few guys that could get moved or they let Williams walk... obviously some of those deals will require draft compensation to move.
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That’d be a shame for him to get traded. They probably just finished putting in the pool, too.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So I'm not a huge fan of the guy... but I think Jordan Poole almost surely has to be moved unless GS decides to say goodbye to Dray or Klay over the next 12 months. The new CBA is really going to hammer them...

He's been mostly bad this year and his decision making and defense are rough... but as a starter he is like 25 and 5 and I do think it helps him for some reason. IDK the guy is 23 and I'd imagine the market is fairly limited for him... say the price is like KO and Sexton or KO and THT... you in? Is that contract toxic, bad, or meh?
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Didn't Poole just sign like a 4/$120 mil extension? Holy overpay! I'm not sure Ainge touches that type of contract especially for another small guard. He'd be making almost double what Lauri makes next season. Ouch.
 
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