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Rudy Gobert "Greatest Jazz Center of All Time" Countdown Thread

infection said:
I think that, if you're any given individual, and there's a line in the sand with John, Karl, and Jerry on one side and Mark Jackson and John Amaechi on the other, your choice would be quite telling.
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Amaechi and Stevenson were pawns in Jackson's little coup.
Eenie-Meenie said:
I read the link -- very interesting. But I watched all those games too. If you read between the lines -- this is what Jackson said that I agree with, didn't agree with the way Sloan coached at that time. I definitely recall the mention of the oop and Sloan not liking and that was part of Jackson's style / leadership, and there was mention of AK being someone who would benefit from that. I can only say it was hearsay, something one of the commentators mentioned that AK was in Jackson's camp. If you noticed, he is not mentioned as being on one side or the other. So, while all you Sloan lovers (and I'm not a hater) might disagree, I think Jackson had some good points to make. Why beat a dead horse: this is my opinion, and you can have yours.
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Sound familiar?:
http://www.warriorsworld.net/2014/05/07/gods-devils-and-dysfunction-the-truth-about-mark-jackson/
"Jackson, in conjunction with Lindsey Hunter and Pete Myers, worked to create false enemies within the Warriors organization as a means to motivate his players and provide built-in excuses if he failed."

Mark Jackson is a cancer. Same thing when he was coaching the warriors. There is a rumor he could be the next coach for the Knicks. Probably the only team dysfunctional at this point to bring him in. It isn't that he just tried to make a few tweaks to tempo or add oops. If you believe that, you are an idiot. His history speaks loud and clear.

The rumor is the locker room B.S. caused #12 to retire. Which means we may have had another season of watching him play. It obviously bugged Stock enough to make a reference to it in his book. Mark Jackson is anathema to a true Jazz fan.

https://www.si.com/nba/2015/02/20/g...ay-thompson-joe-lacob?page=4&devicetype=phone
Another article with snippets on Jackson pitting players against each other.
 
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Mark Jackson is putrid **** and I can think of few things more perfect than Ernie Meenie aligning with him.
 
Siro said:
A much larger pool of candidates from all over the world. Some improvements in sports and nutrition science. Much better incentives for top athletes to try to make the NBA.

He's probably correct.
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I don't think the incentives are really any different. The reward for making it to the NBA was unimaginably large for most young kids then, and it's still unimaginably large. I don't disagree that the average athlete might be a little bit better, but I strongly disagree with the "much better" statement. I think that most of the stars of the 80's would be very relevant, and likely stars, in today's NBA.

When I think of the 80's I think of Magic, Malone (Moses and Karl), Erving, Jabar, Bird, Jordan, Thomas, Stockton, Wilkins, Hakeem...

Players today aren't "much better" than any of these guys.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I don't think the incentives are really any different. The reward for making it to the NBA was unimaginably large for most young kids then, and it's still unimaginably large. I don't disagree that the average athlete might be a little bit better, but I strongly disagree with the "much better" statement. I think that most of the stars of the 80's would be very relevant, and likely stars, in today's NBA.

When I think of the 80's I think of Magic, Malone (Moses and Karl), Erving, Jabar, Bird, Jordan, Thomas, Stockton, Wilkins, Hakeem...

Players today aren't "much better" than any of these guys.
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Right. But the average NBA player is probably considerably better now. Much more competition for about the same number of positions.
 
There is also the argument for better training and nutrition, although I think that's a bit overblown. The average NBA player today takes analytical training and healthy nutrition much more seriously.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Mark Jackson is putrid **** and I can think of few things more perfect than Ernie Meenie aligning with him.
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I'm not aligning with him. I'm agreeing with his opinion about Sloan, basically that Jerry was still coaching in the past and had not evolved with the progression of the game. I think that's what he was saying. So far as the other stuff about him being cancer, I can't comment one way or the other. But I think it did impact on AK's career because Sloan I believe was not a good coach for AK and didn't give him the freedom to play to the best of his ability, which you would've seen if you watched him play with the Russian team.
 
Siro said:
Right. But the average NBA player is probably considerably better now. Much more competition for about the same number of positions.
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I seem to recall Bill Russell saying to Steve Kerr, "Back in my day, you wouldn't have been able to hit that shot to win the championship. Because you would have been sitting in the f***ing stands watching the game, not playing in it."
 
gandalfe said:
I seem to recall Bill Russell saying to Steve Kerr, "Back in my day, you wouldn't have been able to hit that shot to win the championship. Because you would have been sitting in the f***ing stands watching the game, not playing in it."
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I think the game is much faster and the players more athletic today. That's one reason it's harder to block shots. But Russell was an unbelievable shot blocker. His timing was fantastic; used to block Chamberlain. And guys who tried to muscle him by using their shoulder still got blocked. Don't know how he'd do today though.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I think the game is much faster and the players more athletic today. That's one reason it's harder to block shots. But Russell was an unbelievable shot blocker. His timing was fantastic; used to block Chamberlain. And guys who tried to muscle him by using their shoulder still got blocked. Don't know how he'd do today though.
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He'd be rich man's Udoh.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I think the game is much faster and the players more athletic today. That's one reason it's harder to block shots. But Russell was an unbelievable shot blocker. His timing was fantastic; used to block Chamberlain. And guys who tried to muscle him by using their shoulder still got blocked. Don't know how he'd do today though.
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There is very little back to the basket style of play. Not even Favors posts up at all. There's less opportunity to block shots


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