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Rudy Gobert "Greatest Jazz Center of All Time" Countdown Thread

Eenie-Meenie said:
Why argue with the truth? It's not irrational what I say; it's fact. You're just letting your irrational AK hate cloud your memory.

This is what I recall the dispute to be about. I don't think Jackson wanted to start over Stockton. He wanted a more up-tempo, improvisational style. And I do recall the talk about oops, which Jackson really had a knack for, and which Sloan saw as showboating (which was why he needed to retire), which was why Stockton didn't do it that much. Send Mark a message and ask him -- he's on twitter and on the air, so you probably can reach him. And I did read that AK supported that. I really still believe that Sloan stymied AK. If you watched him play with the Russian teams that gave him more freedom, he was a much better player -- even after the meltdown when he cried and went on that horrendous shooting slump, he won the Eurobasket MVP. That year included Gasol and Dirk in their primes, so it's not like there were no other good players.
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You have beat this horse into the ground, the flesh has rotted away, and the bones are not intact, but pounding the ground continues.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Why argue with the truth? It's not irrational what I say; it's fact. You're just letting your irrational AK hate cloud your memory.

This is what I recall the dispute to be about. I don't think Jackson wanted to start over Stockton. He wanted a more up-tempo, improvisational style. And I do recall the talk about oops, which Jackson really had a knack for, and which Sloan saw as showboating (which was why he needed to retire), which was why Stockton didn't do it that much. Send Mark a message and ask him -- he's on twitter and on the air, so you probably can reach him. And I did read that AK supported that. I really still believe that Sloan stymied AK. If you watched him play with the Russian teams that gave him more freedom, he was a much better player -- even after the meltdown when he cried and went on that horrendous shooting slump, he won the Eurobasket MVP. That year included Gasol and Dirk in their primes, so it's not like there were no other good players.
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He wanted a style where he felt he could be the leader. It is B.S. to say that he didn't think he should be leading the team.

Good summary:
https://jazzbasketball.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/jazz-mythbusters-mark-jackson-vs-john-stocktons/

Mark Jackson is a ****ing bitch. And IMO, anyone who defends him can join him in that camp.
 
franklin said:
^my father used to always say Eaton's problem was that he had tennis ball rackets for hands. We see the same with Favors and Gobert (improving a ton), but the league adjustments haven't changed who Eaton could have been in this league.
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Good analogy, but Eaton had flyswatters for hands. His hands are surprisingly small for how big he is. I shook his hand once and was surprised. Stockton has bear mitts.
 
Siro said:
Favors has great hands.
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His hands are nice, but nowhere near hand model status.
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Joe Bagadonuts said:
I don't think you're correct.
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A much larger pool of candidates from all over the world. Some improvements in sports and nutrition science. Much better incentives for top athletes to try to make the NBA.

He's probably correct.
 
JAZZGASM said:
He wanted a style where he felt he could be the leader. It is B.S. to say that he didn't think he should be leading the team.

Good summary:
https://jazzbasketball.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/jazz-mythbusters-mark-jackson-vs-john-stocktons/

Mark Jackson is a ****ing bitch. And IMO, anyone who defends him can join him in that camp.
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“During his second season, Amaechi became a member of rebellious clique that also included Mark Jackson and DeShawn Stevenson.* They all were unhappy with the roles, and their discontent fractured a locker room that John Stockton and Karl Malone had run relatively smoothly for 15 years. Although Stockton never said anything to me, others insist that the off-the-court turmoil contributed to his decision to retire after the Jazz were eliminated from the 2003 playoffs.”
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I think that, if you're any given individual, and there's a line in the sand with John, Karl, and Jerry on one side and Mark Jackson and John Amaechi on the other, your choice would be quite telling.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Why argue with the truth? It's not irrational what I say; it's fact. You're just letting your irrational AK hate cloud your memory.

This is what I recall the dispute to be about. I don't think Jackson wanted to start over Stockton. He wanted a more up-tempo, improvisational style. And I do recall the talk about oops, which Jackson really had a knack for, and which Sloan saw as showboating (which was why he needed to retire), which was why Stockton didn't do it that much. Send Mark a message and ask him -- he's on twitter and on the air, so you probably can reach him. And I did read that AK supported that. I really still believe that Sloan stymied AK. If you watched him play with the Russian teams that gave him more freedom, he was a much better player -- even after the meltdown when he cried and went on that horrendous shooting slump, he won the Eurobasket MVP. That year included Gasol and Dirk in their primes, so it's not like there were no other good players.
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Other players and coaches have talked about how that was the toughest year of his career because Jackson openly tried to turn the locker room against him, because he wanted to start, but let's call u right anyway even though it was between Stockton and Jackson and not Jackson vs Sloan. Go back to wherever u came from.

Sure AK won his national team MVP or whatever. AK was still an nba player who belonged in that league playing with less talented players in Russia or whatever, fabulous argument buddy.


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Fact is AK was a me first player, who because he wasn't given the role he wanted he cried and gave up on his team and that is very evident watching him play if u can call what he did playing.


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JAZZGASM said:
He wanted a style where he felt he could be the leader. It is B.S. to say that he didn't think he should be leading the team.

Good summary:
https://jazzbasketball.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/jazz-mythbusters-mark-jackson-vs-john-stocktons/

Mark Jackson is a ****ing bitch. And IMO, anyone who defends him can join him in that camp.
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I read the link -- very interesting. But I watched all those games too. If you read between the lines -- this is what Jackson said that I agree with, didn't agree with the way Sloan coached at that time. I definitely recall the mention of the oop and Sloan not liking and that was part of Jackson's style / leadership, and there was mention of AK being someone who would benefit from that. I can only say it was hearsay, something one of the commentators mentioned that AK was in Jackson's camp. If you noticed, he is not mentioned as being on one side or the other. So, while all you Sloan lovers (and I'm not a hater) might disagree, I think Jackson had some good points to make. Why beat a dead horse: this is my opinion, and you can have yours.
 
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