rules and precedent for signing-and-trading RFAs

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I apologize if this discussion has happened elsewhere; if it has, I can't find it. Besides, with the numbers being thrown around with regards to Hayward, this topic deserves it's own thread.

What are the rules for signing-and-trading RFAs?

What is the history of teams taking this route?
(I remember Joe Johnson's exit from PHX included some picks or something...)

 

[franklin]

The new CBA limits teams from going above the apron in s-n-t deals. Hayward is not going to a contender.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

GVC?

Yeah, sized, I remember two 1st rounders going to Phoenix I think.

 

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Let me just take this space to say, again, like almost all of you have: THE MONEY BEING DISCUSSED FOR A MENTALLY WEAK HAYWARD IS ABSOLUTELY BAT **** CRAZAY BRAUGHS. NUTSO.

Sign Bazemore, S&T Hayward, and roll with the cap space.

 

[Qman]

This is a good place to start:

https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q90

It appears that signing and trading a RFA is the same as a FA.

 

[GVC]

Key change in this CBA: In the 2005 CBA, an S&T could be for the length of an own team free agent, with own team free agent raises. That is, the extra year and bigger raises could be given. This is no longer the case; Gordo can only be S&T'd for 4 years, with 4.5% raises.

 

[Mongoose]

Let me just take this space to say, again, like almost all of you have: THE MONEY BEING DISCUSSED FOR A MENTALLY WEAK HAYWARD IS ABSOLUTELY BAT **** CRAZAY BRAUGHS. NUTSO.

Sign Bazemore, S&T Hayward, and roll with the cap space.

I agree... If teams really are going to give him what is being rumored. If a team wants Hayward bad enough to sign him for 63M and give up picks or other assets to get him, I say siyonara Hayward. That is a ton to give for GH. I really think the Jazz have more leverage than people realize.

 

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I agree... If teams really are going to give him what is being rumored. If a team wants Hayward bad enough to sign him for 63M and give up picks or other assets to get him, I say siyonara Hayward. That is a ton to give for GH. I really think the Jazz have more leverage than people realize.

would you mind spelling out the leverage you see?

I see very little leverage. For example:

1) Internally, the Jazz set their max number for Hayward at $10mm, and they commit to S&T Hayward at anything over that number
2) A team comes along (let's say it's Cleveland) and offers Gordon $14mm, and refuse to entertain any S&T options. Basically, they call our bluff
3) At this point the jazz have what, exactly?

I have a harder time imagining this particular negotiation than any other. The jazz would need to have wicked good intel on the market for Hayward... every last suitor. If the Cavs refuse to play S&T games, could the jazz turn around and trade Hayward to another known suitor at that number?

This isn't an easy process.

 

[Mongoose]

would you mind spelling out the leverage you see?

I see very little leverage. For example:

1) Internally, the Jazz set their max number for Hayward at $10mm, and they commit to S&T Hayward at anything over that number
2) A team comes along (let's say it's Cleveland) and offers Gordon $14mm, and refuse to entertain any S&T options. Basically, they call our bluff
3) At this point the jazz have what, exactly?

I have a harder time imagining this particular negotiation than any other. The jazz would need to have wicked good intel on the market for Hayward... every last suitor. If the Cavs refuse to play S&T games, could the jazz turn around and trade Hayward to another known suitor at that number?

This isn't an easy process.

Obviously teams have to be willing to do business.... If a team wants to get Hayward at 12M or 13M, it's a bit much, but I don't think it is a horrible contract. I believe the Jazz have the leverage from about 10M-14M. A good business man may be willing to give the Jazz some assets to get Hayward for somewhere between 10M-14M. Sure if a team just wants to say, "We're just gonna throw the max at Hayward, we don't want to do business with the Jazz", then they have the right to do that. It's still a gamble, because the Jazz could still match and you have already told them you aren't negotiating. Seems like poor business to me... Gamble on the player, overpay the player, gamble on the jazz matching, and refuse to negotiate. If you were willing to negotiate with the Jazz you could give up some assets and possibly get the player you want for 12M-13M... No matter what another team has to be willing to give up quite a bit to get Hayward.

 

[franklin]

Let me just take this space to say, again, like almost all of you have: THE MONEY BEING DISCUSSED FOR A MENTALLY WEAK HAYWARD IS ABSOLUTELY BAT **** CRAZAY BRAUGHS. NUTSO.

Sign Bazemore, S&T Hayward, and roll with the cap space.

*Batum **** crazy

 

[SojoDave]

Math is hard.

 

[Jeffrey32]

If cavs offer max, jazz should add a 5th year and reduce the annual


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