Rumor: Gobert wants Jazz to decide between him or Mitchell

[Handlogten's Heros]

Jake Fisher in his podcast "Please Don't Aggregate This" says the hierarchy in Utah is basically Ryan, then Ainge, then Donovan's people, then Quin/JZ.

The way he said that the Ainge deal came down makes sense... basically him and Ryan are buddies and he was asking him stuff all the time so Ainge is like you need to bring me on in some sort of capacity if we are doing this all the time... So Ryan is like "here's the keys".

Basically we are screwed... lets all just hope Donovan demands out. That's the only way we are saved.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Honestly don’t think so, but I’m just guessing

I think the only way to salvage this iteration of the Jazz would be to dump contracts and sign a major free agent. This is what the Warriors did when they were a middling playoff team. They dumped Richard Jefferson, Andres Biedrins, and Brandon Rush on the Jazz in order to sign Andre Iguodala. That made them contenders. All it cost them was a single FRP. Jazz's contracts are longer though, unfortunately.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

This doesn't tell the full story, but it's still interesting. There is one player who sticks out on average defensive speed.

Players Speed & Distance | Stats | NBA.com

A table featuring speed and distance information for each player in the league based on selected filters.

www.nba.com

When you look at the whole league, it shows how slow our defenders are. However, speed is only one component. There are so many "basketball defense 101" rules they don't follow. They don't rotate, they defend to let their man go either direction, and when they do overplay a direction, they often open up too much and give the lane. They also don't anticipate or fight over screens. Taking charges is also a rare occurrence.

Watching the games last night you see the difference between the way the Jazz play, and the way the Suns and Miami play, on both ends, but especially on defense.

Dallas came back against the Suns a bit, but the Suns also stopped running their off screen motion that was killing the Mavs. The speed at which they came off screens was notable.

The lack of defense has been such an issue for a number of years in the playoffs, which is all that matters.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I think the only way to salvage this iteration of the Jazz would be to dump contracts and sign a major free agent. This is what the Warriors did when they were a middling playoff team. They dumped Richard Jefferson, Andres Biedrins, and Brandon Rush on the Jazz in order to sign Andre Iguodala. That made them contenders. All it cost them was a single FRP. Jazz's contracts are longer though, unfortunately.

I don’t want to salvage anything from this team, and when I say that, I mean I don’t want Mitchell back. It’s not going to work with Mitchell

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think the only way to salvage this iteration of the Jazz would be to dump contracts and sign a major free agent. This is what the Warriors did when they were a middling playoff team. They dumped Richard Jefferson, Andres Biedrins, and Brandon Rush on the Jazz in order to sign Andre Iguodala. That made them contenders. All it cost them was a single FRP. Jazz's contracts are longer though, unfortunately.

that ain't happening boss... for two reasons... 1- Zach ain't picking us 2- to move the amount of salary we'd need to find different homes for like 4 players without salary coming back. That's gonna cost assets... its a huge "no way" from me.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don’t want to salvage anything from this team, and when I say that, I mean I don’t want Mitchell back. It’s not going to work with Mitchell

Salvage is the right word... you trade everything you can and salvage draft picks and maybe our dignity.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

I don’t want to salvage anything from this team, and when I say that, I mean I don’t want Mitchell back. It’s not going to work with Mitchell

If you could dump some salary and score the right free agents, I'd be ok with Mitchell, but the chances of that happening are slim with the teams cap situation. They need to trade or release O'Neale, Azubuike, Conley and Gay. Hassan won't be back either. Try to score from the group of Bagley, Warren, Gary Harris, Covington, Campazzo, Oladipo, K Anderson, T. Prince and Baynes. Consider bringing back Ingles on a minimum vet contract too.

Upgrades on D with decent shooting for the most part. I'd like to see a new system too with more lower paint screens and cuts. The current offense works until it doesn't. Need a variety like what the Suns are doing. Having a center that could score would be helpful.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

What am I looking at?

If you click on the link and then scroll all the way to the right there is a column for the average defensive speed of each player on our team during the playoffs. Donovan Mitchell had by far the slowest defensive speed on our team. It's not a perfect stat, but supports the idea that Mitchell wasn't working as hard on defense as the rest of the team.

 

[mongoose01]

If you click on the link and then scroll all the way to the right there is a column for the average defensive speed of each player on our team during the playoffs. Donovan Mitchell had by far the slowest defensive speed on our team. It's not a perfect stat, but supports the idea that Mitchell wasn't working as hard on defense as the rest of the team.

He’s right there next to a couple forty year olds.


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[NUMBERICA]

Do the Jazz have the ability to open up cap space if they dump Conley, Bogdanovic and Rudy Gay, even if they have to attach picks to do it? The target would need to be someone significant like Zach Lavine.

Almost certainly no. But what’s certainly certain is that under no circumstance should they burn more picks to float this obviously busted pairing.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Do the Jazz have the ability to open up cap space if they dump Conley, Bogdanovic and Rudy Gay, even if they have to attach picks to do it? The target would need to be someone significant like Zach Lavine.

Conservatively that would put us at 107M with the cap at 112M. Long way to go before even getting cap space for a max contract. Zero chance.

 

[Jingled]

Jake Fisher in his podcast "Please Don't Aggregate This" says the hierarchy in Utah is basically Ryan, then Ainge, then Donovan's people, then Quin/JZ.

The way he said that the Ainge deal came down makes sense... basically him and Ryan are buddies and he was asking him stuff all the time so Ainge is like you need to bring me on in some sort of capacity if we are doing this all the time... So Ryan is like "here's the keys".

Basically we are screwed... lets all just hope Donovan demands out. That's the only way we are saved.

If I was Zanik and Quin, I'd get the hell out of here. What a **** show.