Rumor: Jazz prepared to match 'any offer' for Hayward.

[Stifle Tower]

Dumping a bad contract requires taking something bad back or giving up something good -- far better never to have signed the contract to begin with. If Hayward were a non-Jazz free agent, what value would we place on his talent after seeing how he performed last season? Would we really offer him a bigger contract than we gave Favors?

"Dumping" a contract is something that is done with Biedrins or Stoudemire. For all his struggles, Hayward still put up 16/5/5. He's a career 45%/40% shooter ("close enough'). GM's will see last season as an outlier. OK, I agree he's not a Lebron, Kobe or Durant. But he WON'T be paid like one. There's a huge difference between even a max contract in the $14M-$15M range and one for $20m+. Barring injury, Gordon is not a plyer whose skills are going to decline over the next four years. At WORST, he gets traded to a contender for a pick and expiring contracts.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Does a RFA have to sign an offer sheet or can he still sign with his team before he gets another offer?

He can still sign with his team. That's why you're hearing rumors of teams willing to throw bunch of money at him. It's against the rules for any team to talk about specific FA's before the deadline. So any rumors are being leaked by agents to try to create a bidding war on July 1st.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Does a RFA have to sign an offer sheet or can he still sign with his team before he gets another offer?

Jazz made the minimum offer to make him a restricted free agent. He can take that money and become an unrestricted free agent next year, or he can negotiate a contract with his team or he can sign an offer sheet with another team and give the Jazz the option to match it or not.

 

[slc]

Why would an agent let his player sign though without an offer sheet?

 

[Stifle Tower]

Why would an agent let his player sign though without an offer sheet?

Any number of reasons:

1. Jazz could offer 5 years and more $ than any other team.

2. An offer sheet may never come. If teams like Phoenix, Boston, etc. believe Utah is going to match, then they've wasted up to 13 days (from July 1 to 13) on a promise to Hayward instead of negotiating with other, unrestricted FA's. Or after July 10th, the Jazz get 3 days to match. And the team can't do anything else with that open cap space until the other team matches or declines to match the offer sheet.

3. Goodwill. Jazz believe Hayward and his agent are telling the truth about the amount he would be offered. Jazz get the opportunity to structure a deal to suit their finances. In this case, probably as much in this season as possible since Jazz have excess cap space.

 

[cowhide]

"Dumping" a contract is something that is done with Biedrins or Stoudemire. For all his struggles, Hayward still put up 16/5/5. He's a career 45%/40% shooter ("close enough'). GM's will see last season as an outlier. OK, I agree he's not a Lebron, Kobe or Durant. But he WON'T be paid like one. There's a huge difference between even a max contract in the $14M-$15M range and one for $20m+. Barring injury, Gordon is not a plyer whose skills are going to decline over the next four years. At WORST, he gets traded to a contender for a pick and expiring contracts.

What contender is going to be able to take on a $14-15 million dollar contract. They probably already have 2 or 3 guys making mid double digit salaries. You make it sound like ok Jazz overpay so we will find some other franchise to bail us out.

Someone else asked the question, IF Hayward was a FA on some other team would you be thinking about spending a Max deal on him especially after a sub par season? You said his skills are not going to decline yet he is coming off his worse season? I know it is Corbin's fault. What has Gordon done to warrant a 8 million dollar raise per year (assuming he makes 5 million, yes I am too lazy to check)?

 

[JAZZGASM]

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Sounds like the Jazz are going to try anf lock hayward up.

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

What's a mini max?

I think a mini Max is when it's smaller than everyone else's, but it's as big as it will ever get.

 

[Ellipse]

"Dumping" a contract is something that is done with Biedrins or Stoudemire. For all his struggles, Hayward still put up 16/5/5. He's a career 45%/40% shooter ("close enough'). GM's will see last season as an outlier. OK, I agree he's not a Lebron, Kobe or Durant. But he WON'T be paid like one. There's a huge difference between even a max contract in the $14M-$15M range and one for $20m+. Barring injury, Gordon is not a plyer whose skills are going to decline over the next four years. At WORST, he gets traded to a contender for a pick and expiring contracts.

Last season, Gordon was handed the reigns to our offense and given every opportunity to grow into his expanded role ... and you consider his underwhelming performance an outlier????

 

[Jeditiger]

Heres another novel idea its the Millers team so stop worrying about what they do on the court. We have no say in the Jazz it has nothing to do with us we shouldnt even be watching what someone elses team does right?

How the Jazz spend money dictates the success of the team. We as fans care about the team (I assume you fit in here) and want it to be successful. We as fans come to a discussion board because we want to talk about the team (also assuming you fit in here) and give our opinion on what would make them successful.

Oh jesus h. As Buggs Bunny would day "don't be so danged literal!" OF COURSE discuss. But in the end people need to understand NBA economics outside of the Utah bubble.

 

[jazzrule]

SG's and SF's in the same range of contract Gordon might be getting or seeking.

Eric Gordon - 4 Years / $58 Mil
Josh Smith - 4 Years / $54 Mil
Andre Iguodala - 4 Years / $48 Mil
Tyreke Evans - 4 Years / $44 Mil
Nicolas Batum - 4 Years / $44 Mil
Thaddeus Young - 5 Years / $43 Mil
Danilo Gallinari - 4 Years / $42 Mil
Gerald Wallace - 4 Years / $40 Mil
Ersan Ilyasova - 5 Years / $40 Mil
Demar DeRozan - 4 Years / $38 Mil
Wilson Chandler - 5 Years / $31 Mil
Marcus Thornton - 4 Years / $31 Mil
Kevin Martin - 4 Years / $27 Mil

 

[Ron Mexico]

Oh jesus h. As Buggs Bunny would day "don't be so danged literal!" OF COURSE discuss. But in the end people need to understand NBA economics outside of the Utah bubble.

Well mr expert lets hear your well traveled version of NBA economics. I am sure everyone would love to understand them better.