Rumor: Jazz prepared to match 'any offer' for Hayward.

[Avery]

Don't blame Hayward for this, but give props to an agent that was smart enough to gauge and project last year that salaries would go through the roof this year due to impending TV contracts and a lack of big names on the market.

Face it, there are too many teams with too much cap room and not enough premium players to fill it. Guys like Gordon who are $10 mil a year guys are going to bank $15 mil. If we don't pay it, someone else will. We have so much room that you can give GH and Marvin good contracts and still ample room to fill it with vets who ride the bench, get garbage minutes or play 10-15 a night at best.

Does it suck? Absolutely. But unless you have someone who can fill Gordon't role who's better at a cheaper price, you bring him back. Signing scrubs to friendly deals is only going to take you to the 8th seed at best.

If you want to swing for the fences, you're going to have to take the risk associated with it.

 

[bigmike]

Don't blame Hayward for this, but give props to an agent that was smart enough to gauge and project last year that salaries would go through the roof this year due to impending TV contracts and a lack of big names on the market.

Face it, there are too many teams with too much cap room and not enough premium players to fill it. Guys like Gordon who are $10 mil a year guys are going to bank $15 mil. If we don't pay it, someone else will. We have so much room that you can give GH and Marvin good contracts and still ample room to fill it with vets who ride the bench, get garbage minutes or play 10-15 a night at best.

Does it suck? Absolutely. But unless you have someone who can fill Gordon't role who's better at a cheaper price, you bring him back. Signing scrubs to friendly deals is only going to take you to the 8th seed at best.

If you want to swing for the fences, you're going to have to take the risk associated with it.

I agree with a lot of this.

I don't blame GH for a second. You have a finite timeframe as a professional athlete to cash out. Get your $, son!

 

[baka98]

This is why Locke tweets about these decisions and doesn't actually execute them.

Are there better alternatives right now? Are we a better team next season without Gordon? Hell no. But we have a ton of young players (Favors, Kanter, Exum, Burke, Burks, Gobert, Hood) who have already been extended or will be deserving of lucrative extensions in the near future. It's the GM's job to think long-term and keep a team that can't afford the luxury tax out of salary cap hell. Capitalizing on our salary cap flexibility (Boozer contract, picking up extra first round picks, etc.) and keeping our home grown talent at reasonable contract rates is really the only formula for long-term success in a market like Utah.

I like GH, but he's not Durant, Westbrook, Duncan, Parker, Kevin Love, etc. (examples of other max guys in small markets). FO needs to think long and hard about this one.

You do realize that the cap is going up each year right? We still will have around $26M next year to spend. What would you do with the money then? Let it sit there?
We gotta do something to make the next step and I agree w/Avery's post. Gotta take a chance.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Don't blame Hayward for this, but give props to an agent that was smart enough to gauge and project last year that salaries would go through the roof this year due to impending TV contracts and a lack of big names on the market.

Face it, there are too many teams with too much cap room and not enough premium players to fill it. Guys like Gordon who are $10 mil a year guys are going to bank $15 mil. If we don't pay it, someone else will. We have so much room that you can give GH and Marvin good contracts and still ample room to fill it with vets who ride the bench, get garbage minutes or play 10-15 a night at best.

Does it suck? Absolutely. But unless you have someone who can fill Gordon't role who's better at a cheaper price, you bring him back. Signing scrubs to friendly deals is only going to take you to the 8th seed at best.

If you want to swing for the fences, you're going to have to take the risk associated with it.

We need to hire his agent to run our team... He seriously killed it here.

 

[da ThRONe]

So if all of you think this is too much to pay Hayward, I want to ask you the question that Locke asked today - who would you spend the $$ on??
Not a lot of better alternatives out there and with the cap increasing, this will not hurt us in the long run and we do have a threshold that we have to meet remember.

I just can't see us letting go a very good complimentary player who we've developed and invested in. We can still sign Burks (who I don't understand all the love for) and Kanter next year if we want to. So if we don't pay him, who do you pay for? I don't see anyone else out there I like.

The problem is you don't know who will be interested or available next year or two years from now. This is why smart spending never goes out of style. You may be able to add a big like Marc Gasol next year for example. Somebody who's much more deserving of a max deal than Hayward.

 

[baka98]

1. This could hurt, especially in making deals down the road.

2. There is no threshold the team has to meet in actual contracts.

Each team must meet a minimum payroll:

Season Minimum Payroll Amount

2011-12 80% of the cap $46.435 million
2012-13 85% of the cap $49.337 million
2013-14 90% of the cap $52.811 million

If a team doesn't meet its minimum payroll it is surcharged at the end of the season for the shortfall. That money is distributed among the players on that team.


https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q15

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

I wouldn't be surprised if Gordon doesn't even sign the offer sheet and ends up signing directly with the Jazz. According to Locke, and he's said this since before the draft, Gordon hates the city of Cleveland. Locke hinted that if Gordon had signed the extension then the draft trade for #1 would have probably been done - ie Cleveland loves Gordon.

However, if Locke is correct and Gordon hates Cleveland as much as Locke says, maybe Gordon won't risk ending up there and will sign a contract with the Jazz for just slightly less? If Stein is correct, and Gordon's asking for 13 per rather than the 12 per that Jazz were offering, then do it!

 

[UGLI baby]

There isn't anything about matching Hayward that says "swing for the fences" to me.


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[BabyPeterzz]

Does any here honestly think the Jazz will attract a big name FA in the next 2 years? Really? We're going to suck clown *******, no one will want to play here until we're near contention and we're not even close.

 

[da ThRONe]

Don't blame Hayward for this, but give props to an agent that was smart enough to gauge and project last year that salaries would go through the roof this year due to impending TV contracts and a lack of big names on the market.

Face it, there are too many teams with too much cap room and not enough premium players to fill it. Guys like Gordon who are $10 mil a year guys are going to bank $15 mil. If we don't pay it, someone else will. We have so much room that you can give GH and Marvin good contracts and still ample room to fill it with vets who ride the bench, get garbage minutes or play 10-15 a night at best.

Does it suck? Absolutely. But unless you have someone who can fill Gordon't role who's better at a cheaper price, you bring him back. Signing scrubs to friendly deals is only going to take you to the 8th seed at best.

If you want to swing for the fences, you're going to have to take the risk associated with it.

1st nobody should be upset at Hayward we would all do the same. Cashing in while we have the case.

However what you are suggesting is why non glamour teams suffer. Acting out of a sense of desperation or weakness. You want to make smart businesses decisions at all times. If you don't feel player X is worth Y then you simply don't sign him. Clearly DL doesn't feel Hayward is worth a max otherwise he would have him signed already.

 

[da ThRONe]

Does any here honestly think the Jazz will attract a big name FA in the next 2 years? Really? We're going to suck clown *******, no one will want to play here until we're near contention and we're not even close.

You never know, but if you start handing out max contracts to players like Hayward then you'll never have a chance.

 

[fishonjazz]

The problem is you don't know who will be interested or available next year or two years from now. This is why smart spending never goes out of style. You may be able to add a big like Marc Gasol next year for example. Somebody who's much more deserving of a max deal than Hayward.

This.
We cant predict the future.
Sure we have the money to spend now and be just fine but 3 years from now maybe there will be a player that we want but cant get because gordo is making 16 million and only deserving 10.