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seattlejazzfan said:
Neither did Hood (42% 3pt).

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Give me a break. Hood was able to play with Jabari. Completely different scenarios. One guy is the focus on offense (Jabari). The other guy is the second or third option. Another guy split the offensive focus with another top 5 pick (Embiid and Wiggins). If you don't see the difference....
 
green said:
Give me a break. Hood was able to play with Jabari. Completely different scenarios. One guy is the focus on offense (Jabari). The other guy is the second or third option. Another guy split the offensive focus with another top 5 pick (Embiid and Wiggins). If you don't see the difference....
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Westbrook played with Durant, yet Durant is the guy who shoots it better. Wade and Bosh play with LeBron, yet LeBron is the better shooter. If you can shoot, you'll shoot it well whether you play with a good big man, a good point guard, whatever. Parker didn't shoot it worth a ****, and your excuse is he didn't play with Embiid. That's laughable.

Bottom line is you're making excuses for a guy who really didn't shoot very well from the outside for most of the season. In fact, if we look at how they did in conference play, I'd just about guarantee Wiggins shot better from three than Parker. Parker feasted on ****ty competition in the first 7 games of the season, but once conference started, he was poor.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Westbrook played with Durant, yet Durant is the guy who shoots it better. Wade and Bosh play with LeBron, yet LeBron is the better shooter. If you can shoot, you'll shoot it well whether you play with a good big man, a good point guard, whatever. Parker didn't shoot it worth a ****, and your excuse is he didn't play with Embiid. That's laughable.

Bottom line is you're making excuses for a guy who really didn't shoot very well from the outside for most of the season. In fact, if we look at how they did in conference play, I'd just about guarantee Wiggins shot better from three than Parker. Parker feasted on ****ty competition in the first 7 games of the season, but once conference started, he was poor.
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Give me a break. Seriously? Again, you are comparing Hood to Westbrook, Bosh, and Wade.

There is your first mistake. Secondly, if you are a shooter, then you are a shooter, then why did Hayward's three point shooting percentage drop from 41% his three years playing with All Stars such as Al Jefferson, Deron Williams and Paul Millsap to 30% when he was the best player on the team?

p.s. You then compared Parker to Wiggins, which, again, Wiggins had a much better supporting cast.

If your argument is that your supporting cast doesn't matter, then you are wrong. Dead wrong.
 
green said:
Give me a break. Seriously? Again, you are comparing Hood to Westbrook, Bosh, and Wade.

There is your first mistake. Secondly, if you are a shooter, then you are a shooter, then why did Hayward's three point shooting percentage drop from 41% his three years playing with All Stars such as Al Jefferson, Deron Williams and Paul Millsap to 30% when he was the best player on the team?

p.s. You then compared Parker to Wiggins, which, again, Wiggins had a much better supporting cast.

If your argument is that your supporting cast doesn't matter, then you are wrong. Dead wrong.
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You're missing the point. Shooters shoot. It doesn't matter who they are playing with and you certainly don't have to make excuses for them. Ray Allen? Kyle Korver? Mike Miller? Anthony Morrow? Jodie Meeks? You don't have to make excuses for these guys. These are guys who just put the ball in the basket. College basketball - Doug McDermott, Brady Heslip, Jimmer, Shaun Armand, Taylor Braun, I could go on. You act like if don't play with great teammates, you can't shoot the ball well. I don't know if I've ever heard anything so ridiculous. This isn't rocket science - good shooters put it in the basket - period. But go ahead, keep making excuses for Jabari Parker's subpar shooting - it's really quite entertaining.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
You're missing the point. Shooters shoot. It doesn't matter who they are playing with and you certainly don't have to make excuses for them. Ray Allen? Kyle Korver? Mike Miller? Anthony Morrow? Jodie Meeks? You don't have to make excuses for these guys. These are guys who just put the ball in the basket. College basketball - Doug McDermott, Brady Heslip, Jimmer, Shaun Armand, Taylor Braun, I could go on. You act like if don't play with great teammates, you can't shoot the ball well. I don't know if I've ever heard anything so ridiculous. This isn't rocket science - good shooters put it in the basket - period. But go ahead, keep making excuses for Jabari Parker's subpar shooting - it's really quite entertaining.
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Argh. Ok. Whatever.

So, you don't think if Jabari had played on Kansas with Embiid, he shooting percentages wouldn't be higher?
 
green said:
Argh. Ok. Whatever.

So, you don't think if Jabari had played on Kansas with Embiid, he shooting percentages wouldn't be higher?
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Who is the embiid on mcdermotts team that made him such a great shooter?

Who was the dominant star player taking focus from jimmer to make him a great shooter.


What sjf is saying is that if mcdermott or jimmer played for duke then chances are they would still be great shooters and if jabari played for kansas then he would still be a below average to average shooter
 
green said:
Argh. Ok. Whatever.

So, you don't think if Jabari had played on Kansas with Embiid, he shooting percentages wouldn't be higher?
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I don't know the answer to that question. Nobody does. Does this mean we have to make the same excuse for other draft prospects? If Marcus Smart had played with Joel Embiid, we wouldn't even be discussing his shot - his percentages would have been awesome! Of course not, we can't do that. We have to evaluate them on what actually happened. Nobody is making excuses for Randle - the fact that he was constantly doubled - they aren't because he still got the job done. We don't make excuses for guys who produce. We do criticize guys like Smart who don't shoot the ball well despite the fact that he had no big man. For some reason, and you're not alone, Jabari is above criticism where it is deserved.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
I don't know the answer to that question. Nobody does. Does this mean we have to make the same excuse for other draft prospects? If Marcus Smart had played with Joel Embiid, we wouldn't even be discussing his shot - his percentages would have been awesome! Of course not, we can't do that. We have to evaluate them on what actually happened. Nobody is making excuses for Randle - the fact that he was constantly doubled - they aren't because he still got the job done. We don't make excuses for guys who produce. We do criticize guys like Smart who don't shoot the ball well despite the fact that he had no big man. For some reason, and you're not alone, Jabari is above criticism where it is deserved.
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Alot of truth here
 
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