Sacramento Kings @ Utah Jazz: November 22nd, 2010 7:00 MST

[Stifle Tower]

I believe Mr. Numberica is being sarcastic based on the comments from IGS. I think it was little questionable about DWill being in there at the end, but coach was not happy with how they were playing once they got the 20 point lead and clearly those few minutes from Hayward showed we should have take Babbitt, Sanders, George, or Davis. Those guys are killing it this year.

Hey, don't forget Patterson. He's a lock for the all-rookie team.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Up fifteen with seven to go is not game in hand.

How quickly some forget Utah's reputation for staging great comeback wins. Are the Jazz the only team capable of coming back from 15+?
And I wish I had the time to pull up past threads in which many have suggested that Sloan "send a message" by sitting a player down when the defensive effort isn't there. So you leave the subs in and imply that a half-*** effort is o.k. when the team is up by 20 or 15? Or do you try to teach them a lesson by yanking them when they clearly aren't playing with much intensity?

 

[candrew]

I dont know who else may have caught this, but Bell got into it with one of Sacramento's Bigs. He set a screen, or did something to Bell, and then Bell came back at him, and gave him a push. He got the foul, but there was quite a bit of talking going on... basically Bell was not going to take any crap from anyone.

That was DeMarcus Cousins.

Cousins looks absolutely lost in Sacramento - I fear his ending with The Kings will be a very unhappy one.

 

[NCJazz]

Hey, don't forget Patterson. He's a lock for the all-rookie team.

He is awesome to. I also forgot Whitehead. He killed us in the Sacto game.

 

[InGameStrategy]

In this ever-going debate on why Sloan does what he does, it is usually over who sloan prefers to 'develop.'

Um, not really. And this isn't just about developing players. The #1 problem this year has been letting poor-defending players stay on the court when alternatives associated with higher-scoring and better-defending lineups were available.

I don't think that the Hayward over Bell playing is "obvious" in the scenario noted above. It is reasonable to give your STARTER, YOUR BEST DEFENSIVE PERIMITER GUY enough 'reps' to get him acclimated to the system. One thing that has been obvious to me is that Bell was not looking to good to start the season and then is slowly getting into Jazz system or rhythm. So i would keep him motivated. If i were placing priorities right now it would be to 'develop' Bell to his potenial and not Hayward.

Players can get "acclimated" to the system in less than 30 MPG. The bigger blunder was putting back in a slow DW, risking injury. And if your reasoning is "acclimated", then it would've been better to keep Watson in also. Putting Bell back in instead of playing Hayward was a missed opportunity, and as has been stated so eloquently before, the incremental benefit of giving a young player 5 minutes is better than giving a thirtysomething veteran who was already on the Jazz in previous years an extra 5 years.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Do I dare tell him Fesenko is the worst big in Defensive rating on the team? Or that Jefferson has a higher defensive rating than Kirilenko?

Do I?

 

[zman1527]

Common sense in one field is sheer stupidity in another field.



Even at 5%, it's high enough to be cautious about.

I saw an unusual absence in your list. The #1 priority of a coach is to win games. Establishing a system, motivating personnel, making adjustments, and developing players are a few of the methods by which this goal can acheived, and every method has the proper time and place. It says so much about your "Coaching" 101 that you didn't list the very first priority.



You can find these substitutions are leads that are all over the place.



You are hoping Sloan will be as successful as Alvin Gentry has been?

The number one priority is "to win games"? I think that is where some of us have a big problem with ole Jer. The number one priority ought to be to win the last NBA game of the season. Yes, Sloan trys to win each and every game, thereby doing things that may forfeit the chance to win the last game of the year.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

The number one priority is "to win games"? I think that is where some of us have a big problem with ole Jer. The number one priority ought to be to win the last NBA game of the season. Yes, Sloan trys to win each and every game, thereby doing things that may forfeit the chance to win the last game of the year.

lol.

Just like him playing Stockton 28 minutes per game did.

 

[InGameStrategy]

Common sense in one field is sheer stupidity in another field.

Probably. But your vague retort doesn't apply here.

Even at 5%, it's high enough to be cautious about.

LOL. Putting starters back in doesn't necessarily reduce the risk. And so far this season, the most-used starting lineup (DW-RB-AK-PM-AJ) is a NEGATIVE 29 as of two days ago, which doesn't exactly make a case for risk reduction (not to mention, again, the missed opportunity to develop young players). In this case, ol' Jer settled on DW-RB-AK-PM-AJ; to his credit, such a lineup has only logged a -18 (albeit in far fewer minutes). Now that CJ is finding his shot and AJ is starting to put forth effort in defense sometimes (sounds so Boozeresque), I anticipate the latter lineup to improve, but in any case, neither lineup was necessary nor likely to be effective, especially with Deron barely able to jump. I wonder if J-Slo even bothered assessing before subbing. I assure you that Phil Jackson knows how healthy Kobe is, and that Gregg Popovich knows how healthy TD is.

I saw an unusual absence in your list. The #1 priority of a coach is to win games. Establishing a system, motivating personnel, making adjustments, and developing players are a few of the methods by which this goal can acheived, and every method has the proper time and place. It says so much about your "Coaching" 101 that you didn't list the very first priority.

Yes, it's absent because it is so obvious that it's assumed. Not all employment contracts say, "the #1 priority of an employee is to maximize the value of the owners", either. Your petty point-out warrants little more.

You can find these substitutions are leads that are all over the place.

I'm gonna take my recollection over your vagary.

And I'll add yet another source--in this case, Phil Jackson waits until the lead is cut to SEVEN POINTS--a far cry from 16 or 19--before putting the starters back in. IGS citations: 2. One Brow citations (minus his brow and his behind): 0.
https://theassociation.blogs.com/the_association/pacers/

You are hoping Sloan will be as successful as Alvin Gentry has been?

Well, given that the Suns went farther than the Jazz in the playoffs, you could find worse models of performance.

Your post was a serious game of dodgeball.

 

[InGameStrategy]

Do I dare tell him Fesenko is the worst big in Defensive rating on the team? Or that Jefferson has a higher defensive rating than Kirilenko?

Do I?

I dare you.

It'll be nice you to attempt to back your thinking with sources (although in this case, giving Fesenko time wasn't even part of the argument; giving Hayward and/or Watson and/or Price was).

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I dare you.

It'll be nice you to attempt to back your thinking with sources (although in this case, giving Fesenko time wasn't even part of the argument; giving Hayward and/or Watson and/or Price was).

It's called the Defensive Rating statistic. Didn't know it was that hard to find that I need to provide it for you.

 

[Siro]

It's called the Defensive Rating statistic. Didn't know it was that hard to find that I need to provide it for you.

https://www.82games.com/1011/1011UTA.HTM

Is this what you're talking about?